the reason it is uncommon is because they live in the wild which should be more prone to disease injury and predation and fishing. However to say a pike will reach 20" in an aquarium is in IMO ridiculuos. Most of your 20" pike are eaten by other large pike and Muskies and people like me who love them because they are one of the tastiest freshwater fish there is. Fish do not have to deal with these issues in our aquariums unless they are being kept irresponsibly. So recommending a fish that grows that large and is a voracious and EXTREMELY fast predator for a tank that size SUCKS. I would feel sorry for the fish if he ever tries to get up to 1/4 speed or tries to turn around once he reaches 24" probably 2-2.5 years. They are not extremely flexible. Not like a Silver Aro. I would LOVE to keep one but would not even attempt it unless I had a tank was at least 10'x4' minimum.
a northern pike in a 300g tank?
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ammerman19;785805; said:the reason it is uncommon is because they live in the wild which should be more prone to disease injury and predation and fishing. However to say a pike will reach 20" in an aquarium is in IMO ridiculuos. Most of your 20" pike are eaten by other large pike and Muskies and people like me who love them because they are one of the tastiest freshwater fish there is. Fish do not have to deal with these issues in our aquariums unless they are being kept irresponsibly. So recommending a fish that grows that large and is a voracious and EXTREMELY fast predator for a tank that size SUCKS. I would feel sorry for the fish if he ever tries to get up to 1/4 speed or tries to turn around once he reaches 24" probably 2-2.5 years. They are not extremely flexible. Not like a Silver Aro. I would LOVE to keep one but would not even attempt it unless I had a tank was at least 10'x4' minimum.
man u know what ur saying? thats like telling eveyone to release there arows and dorados cause there never going to get up to 1/4th of there speed either and i dont know why u say 24 inches in 2-2-5 yrs when it takes 5 yrs in the wild to reach that size. now u take that pike and put it in a smaller area and according to how u feed it chances are its going to grow much slower. i was just on a puffer site checking out puffers yesterday and it gave max size in wild and what they would probable reach in aquaria and there always reaching a smaller size in aquaria so i would think the same would hold true for a pike. look at clown knives they get huge in the wild but even in public aquaria they never exceed 2 ft. so saying that pike he wants is something he shouldnt have in that tank is rediculous imo
focker;785761; said:this is a statement made in minnesota were large pike are.Northern pike reached an average length of 24.7 inches at age 5. 5 yrs in a lake for them to reach 24 inches so its going to take a heck of alot longer in a tank for it to achieve that same size even if it can in a tank. so buddy if u really want a nortern pike u go get one and maybe someday like 7-10 yrs from now u may have to make a decision on what to do with it
I live in minnesota and have never heard this before, alot of the pike I have caught while fishing were over two feet, though I have caught alot of smaller ones while fishing rivers.
bigsmooth;785847; said:I live in minnesota and have never heard this before, alot of the pike I have caught while fishing were over two feet, though I have caught alot of smaller ones while fishing rivers.
ya that what the minnestota department of natural resources say. 24 inches in 5 yrs
focker;785823; said:man u know what ur saying? thats like telling eveyone to release there arows and dorados cause there never going to get up to 1/4th of there speed either and i dont know why u say 24 inches in 2-2-5 yrs when it takes 5 yrs in the wild to reach that size. now u take that pike and put it in a smaller area and according to how u feed it chances are its going to grow much slower. i was just on a puffer site checking out puffers yesterday and it gave max size in wild and what they would probable reach in aquaria and there always reaching a smaller size in aquaria so i would think the same would hold true for a pike. look at clown knives they get huge in the wild but even in public aquaria they never exceed 2 ft. so saying that pike he wants is something he shouldnt have in that tank is rediculous imo
I think aro's are know more for jumping which is why most don't reach their max size in home aquariums. They are not built for speed they are built for jumping. Pike and barracuda are examples of fish that are built for speed. Read anything on freshwater barracuda and it will state to have a long aquarium for them since they are such fast swimmers. And those grow to maybe 1/5 the size of a northern pike. I do not believe your statement about a pike taking 5 years to grow 24". If so that would be because they grow extremely slow during the winter months when their metabolism is at a crawl and the do not eat nearly as much as they do when the water is warm. It has been stated MANY times that the only reason fish will slow down in growth (home aquarium)is due to improper water conditions which sadly enough occur more often than not in home aquaria. And your statement about CK's not reaching 2' in public aquaria is FALSE. I have seen pictures on this very site of CK's much larger than that in public aquaria.
Let me ask the question again.
Do you think a Northern Pike should be kept in a 300 gallon aquarium?
focker;785786; said:no i didnt read it all cause as soon as i seen studies were done in the great lakes then i quit reading cause they probabley to have better results in the great lakes. man anyone reading this thread can go search pike sizes and jump from site to site and see what there growth rate is. U ALSO SAID PIKE EASILY REACH 40 50 INCHES but they do not. it is very uncommon to find a pike over 40 inches just run through a bunch of sites they all pretty much have the same conclusions on growth
Maybe you should have googled it then before recommending somebody with an inadequate tank should get one.
focker;785855; said:ya that what the minnestota department of natural resources say. 24 inches in 5 yrs
you got a link? I don't see it the Mn DNR home page, only thing I saw was something written by some guide
why man? arows are said to reach 48 inches in the wild and arows have been kept for along time so eveyone here that owns a arow has crappy water conditions cause ive never seen one even close to that size and the same for clown knives such of a common fish . alot of people on here have them but there not 3 ft and larger like in the wild and why dont u believe me about 5 yrs for 24 inch growth rate . that is a dirrect statment made by minnesota department of natural resources. ive also shown that it is unlikely for pike to grow over 40 inches and u seem like u catch 40 and 50 inch pike all the time. im done with this one
Focker, we don't recommend keeping a pike in an aquarium. We use the world's record size to give him an idea what to expect. How many people keep Pacus without giving them the right size tank? A lot. Why? No one tell them that they get to be so big.
Now, an aquarium is completely different from a lake enivornment. Even then, pikes thrive better in cold water than warm water; even though they grow faster in warm water, but they live longer in cold water. Up in the far north, just below the arctic circle, you always hear about people catching pikes that are 30" or 40" or bigger. Now, I am not sure what the average size is up there though. Why? Those pikes are from lakes, litterly thousands of them, that haven't been touched or has minimum contacts. Now, in the southern areas of Canada and the States, you don't hear about them since anglers don't give the fish a chance to grow. Most of the fish caught are only about 1 or 2 years old. Now, I don't know what the average age for a legally caught fish though.
Anyway, pikes are predatory fish. They don't have good turning radius and they require long tanks. They require a clearing and a crowded area or two to hide in. A 300g is not going to cut it for a pike once it reach a good length. You know that.
When you are keeping a fish -- you don't go off their average size; you work with the maximum size. Why? You don't know how fast or how big it will grow. Different situations work for different growth rate and longivity. Beside, going off of average size in the wild is pointless -- seeing that game fish in North America are being overfished.
Now, an aquarium is completely different from a lake enivornment. Even then, pikes thrive better in cold water than warm water; even though they grow faster in warm water, but they live longer in cold water. Up in the far north, just below the arctic circle, you always hear about people catching pikes that are 30" or 40" or bigger. Now, I am not sure what the average size is up there though. Why? Those pikes are from lakes, litterly thousands of them, that haven't been touched or has minimum contacts. Now, in the southern areas of Canada and the States, you don't hear about them since anglers don't give the fish a chance to grow. Most of the fish caught are only about 1 or 2 years old. Now, I don't know what the average age for a legally caught fish though.
Anyway, pikes are predatory fish. They don't have good turning radius and they require long tanks. They require a clearing and a crowded area or two to hide in. A 300g is not going to cut it for a pike once it reach a good length. You know that.
When you are keeping a fish -- you don't go off their average size; you work with the maximum size. Why? You don't know how fast or how big it will grow. Different situations work for different growth rate and longivity. Beside, going off of average size in the wild is pointless -- seeing that game fish in North America are being overfished.
focker;785892; said:why man? arows are said to reach 48 inches in the wild and arows have been kept for along time so eveyone here that owns a arow has crappy water conditions cause ive never seen one even close to that size and the same for clown knives such of a common fish . alot of people on here have them but there not 3 ft and larger like in the wild and why dont u believe me about 5 yrs for 24 inch growth rate . that is a dirrect statment made by minnesota department of natural resources. ive also shown that it is unlikely for pike to grow over 40 inches and u seem like u catch 40 and 50 inch pike all the time. im done with this one
found something like what you were saying, it was a study of lake around my area and the growth of pike was 23.5 in 4 years. I'm not saying your wrong and I am not saying I catch whopper fish each time I go out fishing. Pike is the last thing I go fishing for but the damn things eat anything that fits in their mouth and you catch them even when you're not fishing for them
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