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There was a guy (in charge) who threatened to outlaw and close all stores and websites that sell tropical Fish and fish stuff. At least he would do whatever he could to make this type of business difficult if not impossible. No new stores, limited importing, laws and regulations etc. etc.
So the owners and investors of tropical fish retailing decided to get into another business as they could see the light that this type of business was a no win situation.
Low and behold unbeknownst to anyone millions of fish keepers could not get the fish they want or supplies they need.
Millions of fish keepers could now not afford the hobby or keep their fish healthy and happy.
The now small number of tropical fish retailers could now charge top dollar as the competition was nil. These limited number of retailers were collecting what they could before they too had to close.

Millions of upset fish keepers. A mad mob of fish keepers. Now upset that they couldn’t get what they need and if they could it cost hand over fist.
So the guy in charge now fearing the huge angry fish keeper mob decided to act and act fast.
He promptly fired off some angry letters to the remaining fish retailers telling them they better lower their prices “or else”. Get us more fish and lower your prices he demanded.
The retailers were perplexed. Is this the same guy who wanted us closed?

Next the guy in charge told the people to quit complaining and that this angry mob would not be tolerated. They were branded “terrorists” by the guy in charge.


Needless to say things just got worse. And the retailers just scratched their heads again. Didn’t this guy want to close us down? And now he wants more fish?
Hello; Beautiful. Loved it.

Why are gas prices high? "A rare combination of economic and geopolitical forces now manifest themselves at the gas pump. The economy’s rapid recovery from the pandemic created more demand for gasoline, pushing prices higher. Then, the invasion of Ukraine led to a global backlash against Russia, which produces more oil than all but two other countries. So prices went higher again." (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/interactive/2022/why-gas-prices-so-high/)

Reality is that CORPORATIONS and OPEC could expand production. But they'd lose money if they did.

Reality is also that this is a GLOBAL issue and oil and gas prices are based on GLOBAL MARKETS. So assigning blame to any country's particular political leadership is nonsense. As is the idea that recent, past decisions to build or not build pipelines to export more oil... or to open more drilling now or in the recent past would somehow affect supply in the global market enough to affect things significantly.

So what can governments do to lower prices? Ease taxes on gas (you know the ones that pay for our road repairs), increase supply from the petroleum reserve and pressure oil producers like OPEC and Venezuela to increase production.

What can we do? Drive less. Drive a higher efficiency or electric vehicle.

Filled up my 50-ish mpg Prius for $4.99 per gallon the other day.
Hello; You left out some important items and falsely dismissed some included. First an omitted item. I just finished reading thru the thread and do not recall any mention of the general dollar inflation stemming from printing excessive amounts of dollars and the excessive government spending associated with such printing. So, my take is for those using the USD this inflation is a part of price increases across the board.
Side note- there has been and continues to be efforts among some around the world to replace the USD as the fiat currency. Should that happen my little world will collapse.

Another issue dismissed as unimportant is in reality quite important. That being the policies of governments and how those policies affect things such as supply of a product. Tell the producer of a product that the use of that product will be banned for use in new equipment starting in 2030. A few USA states have made such bans some of which will go into effect in 2030 and others by 2035. Those policies will have an effect on fuel producers in terms of how they will invest funds. Do they spend a lot now to keep up with current demand knowing in a few years that investment will not pay off when legislated policy changes kills off demand for their product. Please note this is only one example of how top level policies are currently discouraging oil producers. The uncertainty of what other new policies might be enacted by legislation or the stroke of a pen also has a dampening effect. I can mention other things and may later.

In addition to specific policies are the administrative level ways production can be slowed down. Going beyond the discussion of oil leases there was recently the discovery that the paperwork required to allow those lease sites to actually be used has been very sluggish. The article I read stated the delays were due to math errors among the agency offices handling the paper work.
What points am i driving at? That policies from those in power can and do have an effect on supply of a product.
 
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Hello; You left out some important items and falsely dismissed some included. First an omitted item. I just finished reading thru the thread and do not recall any mention of the general dollar inflation stemming from printing excessive amounts of dollars and the excessive government spending associated with such printing. So, my take is for those using the USD this inflation is a part of price increases across the board.
Side note- there has been and continues to be efforts among some around the world to replace the USD as the fiat currency. Should that happen my little world will collapse.

Another issue dismissed as unimportant is in reality quite important. That being the policies of governments and how those policies affect things such as supply of a product. Tell the producer of a product that the use of that product will be banned for use in new equipment starting in 2030. A few USA states have made such bans some of which will go into effect in 2030 and others by 2035. Those policies will have an effect on fuel producers in terms of how they will invest funds. Do they spend a lot now to keep up with current demand knowing in a few years that investment will not pay off when legislated policy changes kills off demand for their product. Please note this is only one example of how top level policies are currently discouraging oil producers. The uncertainty of what other new policies might be enacted by legislation or the stroke of a pen also has a dampening effect. I can mention other things and may later.

In addition to specific policies are the administrative level ways production can be slowed down. Going beyond the discussion of oil leases there was recently the discovery that the paperwork required to allow those lease sites to actually be used has been very sluggish. The article I read stated the delays were due to math errors among the agency offices handling the paper work.
What points am i driving at? That policies from those in power can and do have an effect on supply of a product.
We have a leadership change. Pipeline canceled and new regulations. Gas prices immediately go up.
Inflation starts to raise rapidly.
And please quit blaming everything on Covid. That is now getting old.
The leader says a “small incursion” in Ukrain may not be a big thing. Then low and behold a big incursion happens (wonder why now)and we do sanctions and stop importing Russian fuel. Thing is we still buy it at inflated prices from India and China. Whether we know it or not.
So saying leadership doesn’t mean anything illustrates to me why we are where we are now. How this leadership got voted in. Informed and thoughtful voting is essential.
 
I had to put somebody back on my ignore list because it’s obvious that they come here to pick fights with people who disagree with them.
 
The US dollar has been remarkably strong of late:

The U.S. Dollar Index, which pits the dollar against a basket of six global currencies, is hovering around 20-year highs. Since the beginning of the year, the dollar index has gained 8%; and in the last 12 months, it has risen 14%. The dollar index hit a two-decade high above 105 earlier this month and is currently trading less than 3% below those peaks. The dollar has performed even more spectacularly against single currencies: Against the Japanese yen, the dollar has appreciated more than 13% this year alone and gained 36.30% in 14-months against the sterling pound.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Oil-Prices-Rally-Despite-Strong-Dollar.html (5/29/22)

And the broader US economy is actually quite strong with strong job and wage growth, including gaining a record 6.4 million jobs in 2021, and very low unemployment.

The issue is inflation. So why has inflation grown?

The biggest driver of the cost of gas is the price of crude oil, which has been going up since October and is hovering around $120 a barrel, up from $70 a year ago. Russia’s war in Ukraine led the US and Europe to sanction Moscow, including its crude oil, which made up about 12 percent of the global market. (Before the war, the US got less than 4 percent of its oil from Russia, but those sanctions have affected oil markets globally by making it more expensive for others to access that oil.)

Demand for oil has also bounced back from the depths of the pandemic faster than oil production.

A second major driver of rising prices is the costs of refining crude oil. These costs are also going up: Refineries have shut down in the past few years, outpacing the new refineries being built. And while capacity has increased per refinery, most US refineries are already working at nearly full capacity. In short, demand for more refined oil has approached pre-pandemic levels, but refinery capacity hasn’t kept up.

The final two factors are how much it costs to get gas to your corner retail station and taxes. These are pretty marginal: Although some states have suspended their gas taxes, which pay for road improvement and highways, they make up a relatively small amount of the price.


So what role does the President play?

One thing you’ll notice missing: the president. President Joe Biden’s drilling policies have nothing to do with gas prices.

This hasn’t stopped <some disingenuous> politicians and commentators from pointing to canceled leases in the Gulf of Mexico and Biden’s climate policies as a primary culprit for rising prices. But energy analysts are quick to point out this is not how oil markets work. The White House “can do symbolic things that don’t really lower prices, and they can do really dumb things that are counterproductive,” Bob McNally, an energy analyst at Rapidan Energy Group who served in the George W. Bush administration, told the Washington Post.

Oil supply doesn’t work as simply as turning on a faucet, and the president doesn’t even control the tap. “In the US right now, the constraints are within the industry itself, and have very little to do with any policies from the federal government,” said Sam Ori, executive director of the Energy Policy Institute at the University of Chicago.

Instead, oil companies have been “very reluctant to plow any of that revenue into capital investment for new wells,” Ori added.

So could proposed policies slated for enactment in 2030 or 2035 influence those in the fossil fuel industry not to make these investments? Sure. But it has nothing to do with the present high gas prices.

Hello; Beautiful. Loved it.


Hello; You left out some important items and falsely dismissed some included. First an omitted item. I just finished reading thru the thread and do not recall any mention of the general dollar inflation stemming from printing excessive amounts of dollars and the excessive government spending associated with such printing. So, my take is for those using the USD this inflation is a part of price increases across the board.
Side note- there has been and continues to be efforts among some around the world to replace the USD as the fiat currency. Should that happen my little world will collapse.

Another issue dismissed as unimportant is in reality quite important. That being the policies of governments and how those policies affect things such as supply of a product. Tell the producer of a product that the use of that product will be banned for use in new equipment starting in 2030. A few USA states have made such bans some of which will go into effect in 2030 and others by 2035. Those policies will have an effect on fuel producers in terms of how they will invest funds. Do they spend a lot now to keep up with current demand knowing in a few years that investment will not pay off when legislated policy changes kills off demand for their product. Please note this is only one example of how top level policies are currently discouraging oil producers. The uncertainty of what other new policies might be enacted by legislation or the stroke of a pen also has a dampening effect. I can mention other things and may later.

In addition to specific policies are the administrative level ways production can be slowed down. Going beyond the discussion of oil leases there was recently the discovery that the paperwork required to allow those lease sites to actually be used has been very sluggish. The article I read stated the delays were due to math errors among the agency offices handling the paper work.
What points am i driving at? That policies from those in power can and do have an effect on supply of a product.
 
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The US dollar has been remarkably strong of late:

The U.S. Dollar Index, which pits the dollar against a basket of six global currencies, is hovering around 20-year highs. Since the beginning of the year, the dollar index has gained 8%; and in the last 12 months, it has risen 14%. The dollar index hit a two-decade high above 105 earlier this month and is currently trading less than 3% below those peaks. The dollar has performed even more spectacularly against single currencies: Against the Japanese yen, the dollar has appreciated more than 13% this year alone and gained 36.30% in 14-months against the sterling pound.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Oil-Prices-Rally-Despite-Strong-Dollar.html (5/29/22)

And the broader US economy is actually quite strong with strong job and wage growth, including gaining a record 6.4 million jobs in 2021, and very low unemployment.

The issue is inflation. So why has inflation grown?

The biggest driver of the cost of gas is the price of crude oil, which has been going up since October and is hovering around $120 a barrel, up from $70 a year ago. Russia’s war in Ukraine led the US and Europe to sanction Moscow, including its crude oil, which made up about 12 percent of the global market. (Before the war, the US got less than 4 percent of its oil from Russia, but those sanctions have affected oil markets globally by making it more expensive for others to access that oil.)

Demand for oil has also bounced back from the depths of the pandemic faster than oil production.

A second major driver of rising prices is the costs of refining crude oil. These costs are also going up: Refineries have shut down in the past few years, outpacing the new refineries being built. And while capacity has increased per refinery, most US refineries are already working at nearly full capacity. In short, demand for more refined oil has approached pre-pandemic levels, but refinery capacity hasn’t kept up.

The final two factors are how much it costs to get gas to your corner retail station and taxes. These are pretty marginal: Although some states have suspended their gas taxes, which pay for road improvement and highways, they make up a relatively small amount of the price.


So what role does the President play?

One thing you’ll notice missing: the president. President Joe Biden’s drilling policies have nothing to do with gas prices.

This hasn’t stopped <some disingenuous> politicians and commentators from pointing to canceled leases in the Gulf of Mexico and Biden’s climate policies as a primary culprit for rising prices. But energy analysts are quick to point out this is not how oil markets work. The White House “can do symbolic things that don’t really lower prices, and they can do really dumb things that are counterproductive,” Bob McNally, an energy analyst at Rapidan Energy Group who served in the George W. Bush administration, told the Washington Post.

Oil supply doesn’t work as simply as turning on a faucet, and the president doesn’t even control the tap. “In the US right now, the constraints are within the industry itself, and have very little to do with any policies from the federal government,” said Sam Ori, executive director of the Energy Policy Institute at the University of Chicago.

Instead, oil companies have been “very reluctant to plow any of that revenue into capital investment for new wells,” Ori added.

So could proposed policies slated for enactment in 2030 or 2035 influence those in the fossil fuel industry not to make these investments? Sure. But it has nothing to do with the present high gas prices.
Hello; I have seen and heard the very things you present in some form or another lately. I guess if someone really wants to believe in something other than the obvious these explanations will do. I do not however buy into them much at all. Massive and excessive deficit spending cannot simply be dismissed. In addition government policies do have a great effect on supply and demand which also cannot be dismissed.

QUOTE "very reluctant to plow any of that revenue into capital investment for new wells,” Ori added."

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his quote tries to paint oil companies as bad citizens. Already with the stroke of a pen a multi-billion dollar pipeline was cancelled with the loss of many jobs. Several statements have been boldly made about putting an end to Fossil fuels by people in a position to do something about it. The idea a company or investor is going to ignore these warnings and risk millions or billions to start new oil wells does not make sense. If the policies were merely idealized verbiage such would be one thing. However there already have been serious real teeth associated with the new policies at both the state and federal level.
Let's consider that it can take several years, maybe six to eight or so, for an automaker to develop a new vehicle from scratch. With the ban on ICE vehicles looming do you think many, if any, will start now to build a new ICE next month with a newly developed engine? If any do that will be a vehicle they cannot sell in at least five states so far. Traditionally California alone has had massive influence on the auto industry to the point of California rules determining the cars we all can buy.
Sure some makers will keep pumping out ICE vehicles. My guess is they will use equipment already on hand. No new ICE engine molds or forging equipment. Equipment which can be used on both an EV and an ICE will get upgrades, but i think any pure ICE machinery will be allowed to wear out and be discarded.


Volvo has already divorced itself form ICE engine production. They will be moving to all EV. In the meantime they have created an outsource company to supply what ICE engines they will use for the next few years while they move into the all EV mode.

Yet somehow oil companies and refiners are expected to ignore all the warning signs and keep plowing in billions to keep us fat on fuel until we do not need them any more??? That said the all EV and green energy world is at best a pipe dream in the short term of decades. Trying for that sort of fantastical idealized world is already causing great harm and will become even worse if the policies continue. But all this is merely my personal take without, so far, my resorting to quoting someone else. My take either makes sense as it stands or it does not.

Last week the TVA which my power company is a part of asked us to cut back on electricity use due to high demand. This when EV's are a small factor in electricity use. I did my part and did not run the central air, nor do any cooking nor use any high draw equipment. I sweated and had cold cuts.
 
You're welcome to believe what you want. Here's a fact check on the pipeline claim from the Associated Press (https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-895299166310):

CLAIM: The Keystone XL pipeline cancellation caused the current high gas prices.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. The Keystone XL crude oil pipeline wasn’t yet operational when it was canceled in 2021, and wasn’t expected to be running until 2023. Rather, experts say gas prices are high due to other factors such as the global spike in the cost of crude oil and increased demand after pandemic lockdowns ended.

THE FACTS: Social media users are pointing to <The President's> decision to cancel the Keystone XL pipeline in January 2021 as a major reason for high gas prices in the U.S. in recent weeks. Gas prices have reached record highs since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

A meme posted on Facebook last week, which now has over 20,000 shares, reads: “Facts: If they didn’t shut down our pipelines we wouldn’t be paying $7 for gas.”

“So the guy who closed the Keystone pipeline on Day one, wants us to believe it’s Russia’s fault for the gas crisis,” says another Facebook post.

This persistent narrative has been spreading on social media since the early days of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, along with false claims that all other U.S. oil pipelines have also been shut down. That is not the case. Experts tell The Associated Press that the Keystone XL pipeline cancellation isn’t affecting what’s happening in the oil market today. It was never operational when it was shut down, and was not slated to go into service until 2023, according to a press release from TC Energy, the company constructing the project.

“Problem with the Keystone: It’s like saying a highway that was built but never completed is somehow making your commute to work way longer. You never got to ride on that highway. It was never opened. It was never relied on,” said Patrick De Haan, head of petroleum analysis for GasBuddy.com, referring to the Keystone XL pipeline.

The Keystone XL pipeline was intended to be an expansion of the existing Keystone pipeline, which runs about 2,687 miles from Alberta to Illinois and Texas, and is operating. The pipeline extension was designed to carry up to 830,000 barrels of oil a day from Canada and North Dakota to refineries along the Gulf Coast. Biden revoked the permit to continue construction in January 2021, shortly after he took office.

The U.S. is still receiving oil from Canada through other means, like railways and other operational oil pipelines running in the U.S in addition to the original Keystone pipeline, said Ramanan Krishnamoorti, a professor and the chief energy officer at the University of Houston.

Even if the Keystone XL pipeline had been completed, the amount of oil it was designed to transport would have been a drop in the bucket for U.S. demand, experts noted. The U.S. used nearly 20 million barrels of oil a day last year, while global consumption of oil was near 100 million barrels. The pipeline would have contributed less than 1% to the world supply of oil, according to AP reporting.

Hello; I have seen and heard the very things you present in some form or another lately. I guess if someone really wants to believe in something other than the obvious these explanations will do. I do not however buy into them much at all. Massive and excessive deficit spending cannot simply be dismissed. In addition government policies do have a great effect on supply and demand which also cannot be dismissed.

QUOTE "very reluctant to plow any of that revenue into capital investment for new wells,” Ori added."

T
his quote tries to paint oil companies as bad citizens. Already with the stroke of a pen a multi-billion dollar pipeline was cancelled with the loss of many jobs. Several statements have been boldly made about putting an end to Fossil fuels by people in a position to do something about it. The idea a company or investor is going to ignore these warnings and risk millions or billions to start new oil wells does not make sense. If the policies were merely idealized verbiage such would be one thing. However there already have been serious real teeth associated with the new policies at both the state and federal level.
Let's consider that it can take several years, maybe six to eight or so, for an automaker to develop a new vehicle from scratch. With the ban on ICE vehicles looming do you think many, if any, will start now to build a new ICE next month with a newly developed engine? If any do that will be a vehicle they cannot sell in at least five states so far. Traditionally California alone has had massive influence on the auto industry to the point of California rules determining the cars we all can buy.
Sure some makers will keep pumping out ICE vehicles. My guess is they will use equipment already on hand. No new ICE engine molds or forging equipment. Equipment which can be used on both an EV and an ICE will get upgrades, but i think any pure ICE machinery will be allowed to wear out and be discarded.


Volvo has already divorced itself form ICE engine production. They will be moving to all EV. In the meantime they have created an outsource company to supply what ICE engines they will use for the next few years while they move into the all EV mode.

Yet somehow oil companies and refiners are expected to ignore all the warning signs and keep plowing in billions to keep us fat on fuel until we do not need them any more??? That said the all EV and green energy world is at best a pipe dream in the short term of decades. Trying for that sort of fantastical idealized world is already causing great harm and will become even worse if the policies continue. But all this is merely my personal take without, so far, my resorting to quoting someone else. My take either makes sense as it stands or it does not.

Last week the TVA which my power company is a part of asked us to cut back on electricity use due to high demand. This when EV's are a small factor in electricity use. I did my part and did not run the central air, nor do any cooking nor use any high draw equipment. I sweated and had cold cuts.
 
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