ac110 and magnum hob for 58 gallon?

[Toby_H]

I’ve got an idea, let’s turn a simple question into an argument!!!

Gotta love some of the personalities around MFK

I do believe, this is a 3’ 58 Gal… although I do not remember the stock he is considering keeping. Let’s go ahead and assume it’s small to medium sized fish unless Joe informs us of otherwise…

The Mag HOT does an amazing job at polishing the water, but they can be a bit of a pain to keep them working as desired. I have two of them on my 125 gal that have been turned off for a couple of weeks because they decided to be goofy…

How the tank is decorated and how much décor is another factor that will greatly affect filtration. The more décor you have the more it will break up the current… therefore the more ‘gph’ you need to keep things mixed up and to push waste to intakes. I like making caves out of stacked rock which is why I am prone to suggest lot’s of flow rate.

One AC 110 would probably be “enough” create water movement and keep things generally healthy… Adding the HOT for polishing would improve water clarity as long as you keep it working… Adding a second AC 110 instead of the HOT canister will make noticeably more water movement than the HOT canister as well as provide much more mechanical filtration…

As was discussed above, the Aqua Clear 110s offer a large media capacity and media combination than the competing HOBs. They actually have a little over 1 gal (4 liters) of media capacity. They can easily be layered to be quite affective. You may wish to put some fine cloth or quilt batting in the AC to serve as a water polisher.

 

[Bderick67]

lol chill out. Where did I say I KNEW what was neccesary ???? I said its not Always neccesary. Intending for the OP to maybe help us with additional information to select the proper filter given his situation if he wanted to. You totally misunderstood me.
Why you chose to single out my post I don't know.

I am singling you out because of your suggestion of a sponge filter instead of a AC110. I wanted to understand your thinking behind this.

The clear winner here is two AC's no doubt about that. I just don't think he will need it. More is always better but not always necessary.

In order to properly make this statement you would need to have the additional info previously mentioned.

 

[Toby_H]

I am singling you out because of your suggestion of a sponge filter instead of a AC110. I wanted to understand your thinking behind this.

I understand his thinking clearly...

He feels the AC 110 will likely be enough filtration... I agree we do not have enough detail to make positively make this conclusion, but I think he is logically making the assuuption this tank will be rationally stocked...

While a second AC 110 will definitely provide additional filtration, a sponge filter will cost about 10% as much as a second AC 110... and will still be a source of water movement in the case the AC breaks...

While it's not what I would do... it is a logical approach... and in no way suggests you were 'wrong'... Its simply another experienced hobbyist sharing his ideas...

 

[tcarswell]

I am singling you out because of your suggestion of a sponge filter instead of a AC110. I wanted to understand your thinking behind this.



In order to properly make this statement you would need to have the additional info previously mentioned.

I already stated my thinking behind this. My logic behind it was that if he were... To use one AC110 a sponge filter would be a good backup if he chose to run a single filter.. and it failed the sponge would be a good backup until he got things in order.

Thank you NC_Nutcase. The truth is he does not want to know my logic behind the sponge filter he already has drawn his own conclusions and spoken for the OP as far as that is concerned. He just saw an opportunity to bicker with someone and I sadly took his bait and sunk down to his level.

Oh and Bderick if you have people feeling like your talking down to them all the time it may have something to do with your condescending argumentative banter.

 

[Bderick67]

I understand his thinking clearly...

I am very happy for you. Though your understanding is not pertinent here, but the OP's is. Tcarswel was not clear as to why he suggested the sponge in my opinion, until after I asked.

I already stated my thinking behind this. My logic behind it was that if he were... To use one AC110 a sponge filter would be a good backup if he chose to run a single filter.. and it failed the sponge would be a good backup until he got things in order.

Thank you NC_Nutcase. The truth is he does not want to know my logic behind the sponge filter he already has drawn his own conclusions and spoken for the OP as far as that is concerned. He just saw an opportunity to bicker with someone and I sadly took his bait and sunk down to his level.

Oh and Bderick if you have people feeling like your talking down to them all the time it may have something to do with your condescending argumentative banter.

T, sorry I hurt your feelings by asking you to back up your reply. But then again maybe you should grow up. I have not drawn any conclusions, myself I only answered the question that the OP asked. I realize you have jumped on the minimized bio band wagon, which is fine. It does help though if you are a little more detailed in your suggestions when going outside the the original question asked.

 

[tcarswell]

I am very happy for you. Though your understanding is not pertinent here, but the OP's is. Tcarswel was not clear as to why he suggested the sponge until after I asked.

Actually if you read it I clearly stated it was for backup filtration And if his understanding is not pertinent here then why is yours ? Maybe the OP would understand what I was saying without just reviewing posts for any reason to start a fight.


I am gonna leave this thread as I am sure the OP realizes the option that I had suggested for him. And realizes it is an alternative. I no longer wish to argue and ruin the OP's thread. So I request Bderick that you PM me any further argument as we are both in this to help the OP right ?

 

[Bderick67]

Actually if you read it I clearly stated it was for backup filtration And if his understanding is not pertinent here then why is yours ? Maybe the OP would understand what I was saying without just reviewing posts for any reason to start a fight.


I am gonna leave this thread as I am sure the OP realizes the option that I had suggested for him. And realizes it is an alternative. I no longer wish to argue and ruin the OP's thread. So I request Bderick that you PM me any further argument as we are both in this to help the OP right ?

Yes as you kinda did, but what you failed to explain was why the sponge filter was a better choice then the second AC110. I only pointed out what I thought about using the sponge, somehow you were insulted by this

 

[Toby_H]

I am very happy for you. Though your understanding is not pertinent here, but the OP's is. Tcarswel was not clear as to why he suggested the sponge in my opinion, until after I asked.

Aww... I think your just a lil hurt because you weren't smart enough to get his point and I was


And FYI, no one is promoting "minimal filtration"... we are supporting intelligent filtration... and again, you just don't get it...

;-)


Sorry about the side track in your thread Joe...

 

[jschall]

And FYI, no one is promoting "minimal filtration"... we are supporting intelligent filtration... and again, you just don't get it...

Exactly, and who would think that 500gph in 60 gallons is "minimal?"

Minimal would be a single big air powered sponge filter. It'd work. Your water might not look too great and it wouldn't pick detritus up off the bottom, but the fish would probably be fairly happy with it, depending on what kind of fish they are.

 

[joedodge]

wow this thread ruffled some feathers sorry guys im just tryin to set my 58 up for maximum oerformance my 75 was a bit of a hassle how it was setup. decor is going to be some slate some rocks and driftwood and some real or fake plants, and stock will be a small breed of cichlid pair either rainbow,keyhole,or sajica. thanks so much for all help and replys i appreciate everyones knowledge and expierence.