ACA Convention and New Hybrid Classes

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VittleKing;2711564; said:
Well I have a "basic" hybrid project right now. Male synspillum and female blood parrot. I plan on line breeding several generations to try and get somehing like a rainbow king, is that "bad" or "irresoncable"?? After all that is how FH started out right? I have traded them to LFS and make sure they sell them as what they are, I call them Syn X KKP when I give them to other hobbiests, there is even a member here that can vouch to that too. What a lot of people don't realize, the cichlid crossses you see here, for some part, are part of a long term project. Some are not, but some are.
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The fact that you sell these as what they are is very cool.
Is it bad? Boils down to personal taste vs right or wrong. IMO, I would get the most colorful synspillums and breed them back to each other working on intensifying color. Adding the Parrot to me would change the body shape and IMO would not be as pretty/cool of a fish. But again personal taste.

I highly recommend that you use a spread sheet and keep logs. This would include labeling tanks with dates of spawns and number the generations. Keep the generations separate and retain the parent fish for a cross back to fix a trait. Document everything. Otherwise, reproducing a fish that might come out looking impressive will be very difficult.

I am not a fan of selling the to the LFS and would much rather see the LFS selling various species of cichlids vs. hybrids, but again that is my opinion.
We are just interested in different types of fish and different paths within the hobby. That does not make what you are doing Bad.
 
I have been an ACA member for 20 years, held BOT position for 8 years, was Chairman of the BOT twice, I keep a lot of different types of fish, which include fancy livebearers (which are all hybrids) and have posted often on the hybrid threads on the ACA forum that I have owned a Bloody parrot and now have Flowerhorns, no one has ridiculed me for having these fish. I was even put on the hybrid committee when we worked out a recomendation for the BOT to consider. There are many open minded people in the ACA. The people who rant on about how bad hybrids are are just a very vocal minority. Maybe 10-12 people on the forum, with a membership of 1200, that's one percent. With time I see change coming. Ken
 
I believe it to be more than 12 people Ken.
12 people on the ACAForum, sure. But there are a lot of forums and clubs discussing this issue and there are a lot more members than 12 saying they would NOT support the ACA, the convention, or renew membership over this. If you guys look into the threads at the local club level, you will see a greater opposition and a serious call for a definitive decision on the matter.

Vittleking, as with any organization, if a minority is loud enough the masses will convert to their cause for the peace that their silence brings. It does not matter if it is the ACA or any other group, if a enough commotion is made the management tends to appease.

IMO Ken, there will never be an end to this debate unless the management says yes or no and that's that! Then you either join and accept their decision or you leave and join another club of some sort. You just can't have it both ways as too many people are not willing to make compromises. Sad but true. :(
 
Mr.Firemouth;2721726; said:
IMO Ken, there will never be an end to this debate unless the management says yes or no and that's that! Then you either join and accept their decision or you leave and join another club of some sort. You just can't have it both ways as too many people are not willing to make compromises. Sad but true. :(
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Rich,

You are absolutely right. I think the ACA should say no to hybrids and no to line bred cichlids, including the fancy discus, angels, peacocks, etc. Too many members think that is the purpose of the organization, to only deal with "wild type" cichlids. Sadly, there is no room in the ACA for members like me who keep wild type, line bred, and hybrids. That is why I quit the ACA.

pug
 
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