Acceptance...

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Do You Accept It?

  • yes, i understand an accept it

    Votes: 77 74.0%
  • yes, but im not really clear on some parts

    Votes: 14 13.5%
  • no, it's a load of propaganist rubbish

    Votes: 11 10.6%
  • no, but i do not know as much as i think i should to form an accurate opinion

    Votes: 2 1.9%

  • Total voters
    104
While "there are many scientists who do not subscribe to that theory", there are far more, if not most scientist who are readily willing to accept it as theory(i think someone earlier in the thread presented a percentage (85-90%)).
There is a chance that maybe we disagree on how to look at this but, simply because more people subscribe to something than others, is not good enough for me to believe in it.

Fortunately, there are people in the present who are beginning to publish textbooks without the biases, i.e. positions in wars, battles, slavery-cotton, and even the destruction of native american life.
So what exactly is my point? We are not our founding fathers. We cherish the gift they have given us, but we must work for "a more perfect union". Not only did our founding fathers knew that the existing laws/beliefs were more than imperfect, they aimed to adjust with the times, to adapt/adopt accordingly with future challenges.


This also is a matter of opinion, I can tell you first hand that when I was in college (recent grad) that I was taught things that were not factual and that were simply propoganda. I agree that fully that also took place in regards to our history and so on, I would argue though that it is still going, but it may just be on the other side of the table.


Intelligent design does not use empirical data to assert itself. Instead it uses an entirely different approach to explaining existence by having no evidence that can be tested. Simple as that. While I am no bigbang/stringtheory/dimensions expert, I do know that intelligent design fails scientific scrutiny.

While this is a common view on how creationists argue there views, it is an incorrect one. I will concede that there is an area that is taken by faith, specifically the origin of our planet, and the origin of life, I also would assert that evolutionists take the same faith oriented approach to the same question. The origin of our planet, and life, is structured by evolutionists in a manner that fits what their worldview is. Anyway, creationist use lots of evidence to prove their views, in fact the same evidence that evolutionists use, fossil records, logic, laws of science, thermodynamics, and so on. So while sure since you cant see God, creationists would argue that the evidence of Him is right in front of us, just as an evolutionist could say, sure while I don't have proof of how the world began, or multiple celled organisms, the evidence of how it began is right in front of us.


The statement "still just a theory" is disturbing. Not only must you differentiate ideas, assumptions, opinions, guesses or hunches from the scientific stand on theory, you must understand what a scientific theory really means. What we are excited and passionate about is "a systematic and formalized expression of all previous observations, and is predictive, logical, and testable"(wiki). So please don't equate what scientists have worked hard and tested time and time again to "just a theory". It is beyond what you have defined as "theory".
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Yeah, I see a difference here. I would assert again that just because lots of people think that it's a fact, that doesn't make it one. So, since evolution is unanimously regarded as true by scientists, to me that just make it the majority opinion, and not any more of a fact. Like I said before, it once was unchallenged that the Earth was flat, that didn't make it flat.
 
radioaktiv;2229433; said:
IMO it takes just as much of a leap of faith to believe in evolution as it does in a creator. Niether have been PROVEN.

faith in science, or faith in god, it is the same.

You have managed to say what took me a page, in a matter of words. Well done. :)
 
jbnebres;2229367; said:
"There are many scientists who do not

So what exactly is my point? We are not our founding fathers. We cherish the gift they have given us, but we must work for "a more perfect union". Not only did our founding fathers knew that the existing laws/beliefs were more than imperfect, they aimed to adjust with the times, to adapt/adopt accordingly with future challenges.


This is frightening at times. I just wrote a huge statement about this than deleted it for bringing to much political dialogue in to this. If we cherish what we have been givin we should always stand up for true freedom.
 
krzr3000;2226314; said:
The discussion is about the concept of evolution and whether or not you accept it. Period...no religious references needed. I suppose if your reasoning for not accepting it is because of religion....you are still avoiding the topic. Saying you don't accept it because you are religious is not a reason IMO...you are just ignoring the question.


THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!

wow this really kicked off again after just one night.. i'll need some time to read through the 9 new pages lol
 
radioaktiv;2229433; said:
i believe in "species advancement"

IMO it takes just as much of a leap of faith to believe in evolution as it does in a creator. Niether have been PROVEN.

faith in science, or faith in god, it is the same.

I respectfully disagree. faith in god is a personal/individual belief. faith in science is what we rely upon when we have weather-related emergency evacuation or understanding the science involved with investment/financial disasters.

evolution is a proven theory.
 
RedDevilDon2005;2229469; said:
this shouldve been closed about 5 pages ago. quit bickering back and forth and have a decent damn conversation for once people. geesh.

i thought we were. hamato has done a great job in sharing views and staying civil. i think if we keep this up, we might just learn more about how we as humans perceive our world.
 
hamato_yoshii;2227956; said:
Also if you haven't noticed, the reason why evolutionists happen to be the ones with the posts like "evolution is true, period" with nothing else added, is because they also get involved because their beliefs are also threatened any evolutionist who thinks that there aren't scientists who believe in creationism, and can back it up, are fooling themselves. This also speaks to Jasons point because if you watch this thread you will see that this is what's being said, "lets have a debate about evolution (and also origins of life) but lets only do it on these terms, and by the way here is a list of things that you can and cannot say." This is a poor way to conduct a debate, and frankly also is very indicative of the attitudes that most evolutionists have twords Christians, and creationists. If you are not open to hearing other points of view, fine, but don't try and pawn it off on Christians that you are the pinnacle of thought and reason, when it is you who block out other points of view.

Disclaimer: this is not meant at a specific person, and if specific quotes are used it is meant to make an overall point, and not a insult.


this arguement would make sense if it wasn't for the simple issue of logic

i could claim that chocolate never existed, a blatant lie
and my whole arguement could be me denouncing all the examples you give... not a very logical debate

i kept this within the lines of logical scientific debate, based on the evidence and the logical assertions that can be make from them
looking at the eye and saying "wow that could never evolve" is not a credible arguement when there already exists a logical, supported explination

i would go into bible literacy and and it's 'inerreantcy' but that would be against the terms of use, anyone interested in why i think it's ludicrous to believe some parts of the bible word for word, and over-look others or claim they are metaphor, PM me.
 
when you're asking about the formation of life, to avoid religion is near-impossible in such a predominately christian area (which i would go out on a limb and say most members are from the USA)
 
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