Acceptance...

[krzr3000]

Also if you haven't noticed, the reason why evolutionists happen to be the ones with the posts like "evolution is true, period" with nothing else added, is because they also get involved because their beliefs are also threatened any evolutionist who thinks that there aren't scientists who believe in creationism, and can back it up, are fooling themselves. This also speaks to Jasons point because if you watch this thread you will see that this is what's being said, "lets have a debate about evolution (and also origins of life) but lets only do it on these terms, and by the way here is a list of things that you can and cannot say." This is a poor way to conduct a debate, and frankly also is very indicative of the attitudes that most evolutionists have twords Christians, and creationists. If you are not open to hearing other points of view, fine, but don't try and pawn it off on Christians that you are the pinnacle of thought and reason, when it is you who block out other points of view.

Disclaimer: this is not meant at a specific person, and if specific quotes are used it is meant to make an overall point, and not a insult.

This is a discussion about evolution...evolutionists aren't going to feel threatened. Its not a debate about evolution vs. creationism. Its a discussion about whether or not you accept it.

Pro-evo people probably have more attitude...but they aren't the ones trying to mix church and state. Example: teaching creationism in public schools.

 

[rmorse]

Guys...read my previous post and tell me where religion and the origin of life come into context. Evolution as a theory does not stop, it occurs to this day.

I also don't know where you guys got the impression you were being pushed to the side. If religion is a reason why then say religion. No one said you couldn't...the point was to not make it a debate. If religion is the reason you don't accept evolution, fine say it.

Wanna bet?

and before ANYBODY says ANYTHING about it.. this is not about religion, and does not violate community guidelines, so don't make it about such.. it's about SCIENCE

please stay on topic
we are not talking about god.. we are talking about science

Jbnebres: Edit your post now or it will be done for you. Did I not warn about treading into the religious waters. I realize you are new, so this is your warning.
This thread, while yes might superficially skim the topic, it is NOT about religion or the opinions of religion, the origin of religion or the justifications of religions, etc(!!) - it is on the Scientific fact/theory of evolution of living organisms. PERIOD.

 

[krzr3000]

Wanna bet?

No one had a problem saying religion wasn't an answer...it was how deep you went into that context. This is a discussion about scientific theory...now if you start reciting some lines from the bible thats not scientific is it?

 

[rmorse]

No one had a problem saying religion wasn't an answer...it was how deep you went into that context. This is a discussion about scientific theory...now if you start reciting some lines from the bible thats not scientific is it?

Ok, first off, let me make a couple things clear. I am not overly religious. I believe in evolution. My point was merely exactly what you just said. We can have religion as an answer, its just not a "real" answer.


Are you honestly that naive to think that the following conversation would occur:

"I don't believe in evolution."
"Oh. Why not?"
"Religion."
"Oh, you are right. That is a perfectly valid reason."



No. The conversation would go a lot different, and end in the thread being closed, since the religious people would not be allowed to defend there argument. They are either left out of the thread, or they explain their point of view, and the thread gets closed.


Thats the issue.

 

[hamato_yoshii]

This is a discussion about evolution...evolutionists aren't going to feel threatened. Its not a debate about evolution vs. creationism. Its a discussion about whether or not you accept it.

Pro-evo people probably have more attitude...but they aren't the ones trying to mix church and state. Example: teaching creationism in public schools.

Ah yes the old "He started it!" argument. Give me a break, this also is not a debate about religion and politics, but since you brought it up.....
Before spouting phrases like "mixing church and state" go take a look at our nations history and just how "mixed" we were, and while your at it, research the letter that Jefferson wrote that coined the phrase "separation of church and state", read it, and you'll see it has nothing to do with the context the todays people use it.

BTW, I'm sure I'll get in trouble for bringing this up....

 

[hamato_yoshii]

Also, I know evolutionists don't want to start at the begining, they want to the debates to focus on the middle, primate into man, elephant into whale, and so on, but one of my main arguments against evolution starts at the begining, at the origin of life. So, if you want to have a debate on the subject you'll have to open up the rulebook a little and allow for things that ruffle the feathers of how evolutionary people normally want to conduct business.

 

[krzr3000]

Ok, first off, let me make a couple things clear. I am not overly religious. I believe in evolution. My point was merely exactly what you just said. We can have religion as an answer, its just not a "real" answer.


Are you honestly that naive to think that the following conversation would occur:

"I don't believe in evolution."
"Oh. Why not?"
"Religion."
"Oh, you are right. That is a perfectly valid reason."



No. The conversation would go a lot different, and end in the thread being closed, since the religious people would not be allowed to defend there argument. They are either left out of the thread, or they explain their point of view, and the thread gets closed.


Thats the issue.

An answer doesn't have to be valid its an opinion...

 

[krzr3000]

Also, I know evolutionists don't want to start at the begining, they want to the debates to focus on the middle, primate into man, elephant into whale, and so on, but one of my main arguments against evolution starts at the begining, at the origin of life. So, if you want to have a debate on the subject you'll have to open up the rulebook a little and allow for things that ruffle the feathers of how evolutionary people normally want to conduct business.

They want to focus in the middle? Maybe on internet message boards. You are stereotyping about what people know about evolution.

And i dont know how many times i have to say it.............but "evolution" can be seen in modern times. WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH RELIGION? The original post had absolutely nothing to do with the origin of life...


I think its safe so say the thread went down the hole...for the reason that was stated to be avoided in the beginning.

 

[rmorse]

I think its safe so say the thread went down the hole...for the reason that was stated to be avoided in the beginning.

For the reason that was stated, or because the reason was stated?

Open your mind krzr

 

[hamato_yoshii]

They want to focus in the middle? Maybe on internet message boards. You are stereotyping about what people know about evolution.

And i dont know how many times i have to say it.............but "evolution" can be seen in modern times. WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH RELIGION? The original post had absolutely nothing to do with the origin of life...


I think its safe so say the thread went down the hole...for the reason that was stated to be avoided in the beginning.

Unfortunatley you are doing the stereotyping. If you notice, no one has said, I believe so and so, because of religion. Your just saying that people shouldn't say that, are sheltered for saying that, or dismiss science if they say that. I have no problem debating on the facts of evolution, biggourami can back that up because we have had a pm debate in the past, I don't need to argue what my religion is or isn't to debate evolution, and for the record, I'm not nor have I used that as a reason, it's just being assigned to me.
Also, you say the original post has nothing to do with the origin of life, but when I tell you that one of my reasons why evolutionisn not true is because of the origins of our planet and it's life, you tell me that I'm not staying on topic. Either you want to debate it or you don't, but if you only want people to play by your rules, then it looks like you really aren't interested in looking at other points of view.