african and central together?

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They'll be fine unless you're talking about some WC, notoriously delicate rift lake cichlids. I've mixed africans and centrals on numerous occassions with much success. I have F1 Telmatochromis dhonti breeding in a tank with a school of Exodon paradoxus and a few small pike cichlids (they've killed jsut about everything else I've tried but pretty much leave the pikes to their own business as longa s they don't get too close to the breeding cave), all of this in tap water with a pH of 7.2.

If you're buying captive bred fish, water conditions start to matter less and less, and when you're talking the little farm bred cichlids that most lfs stock, it matters even less. Most lfs keep all their fish in the same water conditions (they use one or 2 central filtration systems that pumps the same water through all the tanks).

Furthermore, many cichlids (africans) are bred on farms in large vats or ponds using local, untreated water of unknown conditions. If you look in the "assorted africans" tanks, you can usually spot a hybrid or 2 in there... if the africans weren't responding well to the water conditions, why were they breeding? I've seen centrals (cons, jds, small rds) that came mixed in asst african shipments, more than likely jumped over from a neighbouring pond. They're doing just fine as well, eating, displaying colours, and often holed up in a corner defending against maurading africans.

I can only recall 2 instances I treated water at my house to change the pH: blackwater extract to get WC altum angels to spawn, which they did, and continued to even after i ran out of it and went back to normal 7.2 tapwater, and baking soda for a rather pricey group of WC Petrochromis, which I ended up selling not too long after due to aggression problems amongst the group.

As I said, providing the fish are compatible temperment wise, I really don't see a problem unless you're trying to breed WC, delicate species.
 
If you have your heart set on mixing, then mix CA with either West African riverines or maybe Malawi haps, but definitely not mbuna
 
i had good luck keeping Africans that have been bred in captivity a lot (far from wild), like acei and red zebra w/ SA/CA's, although I don't think they particularly look that good together or recommend it. i probably wouldn't do it again and was against it at the time (stupid ex-girlfriend, lol).
 
Why definately not mbuna? IME mbuna make awesome dither/target fish for the rougher CA cichlids like the rd complex, the nandopsis genus, tougher herichthys, etc. I've had great luck keeping melanochromis auratus and some of the rougher metriaclima with breeding CAs to keep the male from beating the snot out of the female.
 
The reason I don't do it, is because I fear bloat in the mbunas due to dietary differences. I am by no means a purist when it comes to mixing, or saying it is an absolute, I just dont like to do it, based on personal experience. I would mix large haps with some CA though.
 
I'd advise against it due to their different dietary and water parameter needs. Sure, they'll probably survive together. But there's a big difference between surviving and thriving.
 
ruben;1571682; said:
The reason I don't do it, is because I fear bloat in the mbunas due to dietary differences. I am by no means a purist when it comes to mixing, or saying it is an absolute, I just dont like to do it, based on personal experience. I would mix large haps with some CA though.

Understood :) Maybe I should have been more specific and noted that either care be taken that the dietary requirements of all inhabitants be met, or that the more omnivorous species of mbuna (melanochromis, cyanotilapia etc.) be used.

I do, however, think that anything coming out of an "asst africans" tank should be just fine ;):D

Water parameters have been discussed at length already, and with CB fish (when we're talking lfs fish, we're talking many generations from the wild) it's of less importance than WC fish. I would imagine that a fish would have to be thriving if they're exhibiting normal behaviour/bright colours and breeding as well?
 
CichlidAddict;1571708; said:
I'd advise against it due to their different dietary and water parameter needs. Sure, they'll probably survive together. But there's a big difference between surviving and thriving.

That is only for W.C. as the captive bred for generations are now accustomed to the same water parameters on both sides. the dempsey will be fine with mbuna species. Years ago I kept pseudotropheus,nimbochromis, neolamprologus, lepidiochromis,& even aulonucara species with various types of Central Americans no problems other then typical cichlid interaction. It actually works fine. One combo I had the aulonucara(peacocks) with amphilophus rhytismas was a great contrast in the tank. My pseudotropheus lombardi actually worked fine with labiatus & octofasciatus(dempseys). My livingstoni was fine with manguense.
Mixing them works & actually helps avoid hybrids as similar african species will breed with each other; same for central/south american. So far though there have been no intercontinental hybrids.
 
A few of you mention DIETARY DIFFERANCES between africans and CA / SA. I feed my dempsey's a variety of chiclid pellets / both veg and the more carnivorous kind. as well I mix up their diet with some brine shrimp and krill. So they dont get bored.
Would this diet not be ok for the african's as well ?
K.
 
They should be fine depending on the kind. I kept my 8'' jack dempsey with a labeotropheus trewavasae in a 55g together for two years without any problem before the dempsey was moved to my pond. They both have the same params (neutral ph, hard water, ect) and are both fairly aggressive fish. I don't think dietary difference matter. I feed them both cichlid gold and hikari carnivore pellets (the african liked to eat algae and spirinula tablets too, but the dempsey wouldn't go near them)
 
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