AGGRESSION IN MY TANK... PLEASE HELP!!!

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I currently have 2 tatuaia payara around 8-10" or so as well as an 8" gatf in my 150gal tank. I have noticed that my gatf is really picking on the one tat. there is a bite mark on the back of the tat as well as a ripped dorsal fin. i treated it with aquarium salt and it looks to be clearing up but i want to know some tips on how to stop the aggression towards it. I was starving them for a few days to show my girlfriend how he smashes goldfish. but now there is a full stock of food in there for them. The one tat that is getting picked on is clearly the less dominant one. the tats always chill under a large fake root about 2ft long and 15" wide. which gives lots of swimming room for the gatf. i was thinking about getting a couple fake plants to put around the root to make it more enclosed for the tats. or building a cave for them out of rocks but i know rocks might not be the best idea with the gatf in the tank. any help or tips would be very useful. thanks guys :nilly:
 
If you want to get the aggression from that Goliath under control you ABSOLUTELY MUST stop feeding him live and get him on pellets. That is a fish with a serious attitude and the weapons too back it up. If he's used to eating live and you don't feed him, he has the ability to take bites out of other large fish. Ask me how I know.

The longer you keep feeding that guy live, the worse this is going to get. If you break him to pellets however, he'll get lazy and calm and cohabitate well.

The second thing you need to do is add a lot of current to the tank. My setup runs 8850 gph and I have no aggression issues. Most of the other guys on here who have tanks specialized for ATF and payaras are running a ton of current as well. Having ATF in a strong current helps to calm them and prevents them from trying to stake off a territory.
 
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thanks guys. ill bring my temp down slowly. dont wana shock the fish. and the current tank is a grow out tank. i will be gettin either an 8x3x3 or a 10x3x3 within a year. and i have a ton of current already. api 265gal cannister as well as a fluval 406 for filters. im running 2 cobalt 1300gph circulation pumps that ive fitted 2 200gal air pumps to for added airation. what do u think would be easier to do for gettin him off live food? cuz the payara ive tried to get onto frozen but with no success. should i go frozen then pellets? or go straight pellets? cuz i have a lot of left over carnistix from my arowana that i use to have. but they float. are sinking ones better for them? and btw how many fish did ur gatf eat chicxulub? im guessin uve had the same problem before
 
thanks guys. ill bring my temp down slowly. dont wana shock the fish. and the current tank is a grow out tank. i will be gettin either an 8x3x3 or a 10x3x3 within a year. and i have a ton of current already. api 265gal cannister as well as a fluval 406 for filters. im running 2 cobalt 1300gph circulation pumps that ive fitted 2 200gal air pumps to for added airation. what do u think would be easier to do for gettin him off live food? cuz the payara ive tried to get onto frozen but with no success. should i go frozen then pellets? or go straight pellets? cuz i have a lot of left over carnistix from my arowana that i use to have. but they float. are sinking ones better for them? and btw how many fish did ur gatf eat chicxulub? im guessin uve had the same problem before

Before I broke my gatf from eating life food, he killed the following list, and I must emphasize that this list is NOT all inclusive:

Red belly pacu, six silver dollars, silver arowana, vittatus tiger, red tail cuda, Indo-Pac tarpon, two bala sharks and three tinfoil barbs. Plus a couple other fish I can't think of right now. For all intents and purposes, he completely wiped out the stock that was in the tank when he was introduced. It was brutal!

Since he's started eating pellets hes gotten so lazy that he wouldn't bother the feeders that I would put in the tank occasionally as I was breaking my scomb and juruense.

For breaking them off of live, I like to use expendable, cheap teacher fish that will feed vigorously from the surface and then starve the predator after adding the teachers. I've had the best luck using teacher fish that resemble the predator. It should be noted that you can expect to lose teachers, especially with a fish as large and aggressive as your Goliath. Your Goliath, being as large as he is, is also likely to be able to go a very long time before he gets desperate enough to change his diet!

Eventually, the predator will notice the feeding behavior of the teachers and begin to mimic it. I've managed to break every mid- or surface-level predator that I own using this method. The only fish I haven't broken using this method is my juruense catfish who simply won't come to the surface, but will happily eat sinking pellets. On the whole, I've mad MUCH better luck with floating pellets and as such I prefer them, but other people here have had different experiences and have different preferences.

The hardest fish for me to break was my scomb, it took him three months! The next hardest was the Goliath at about a month, but I was learning how to do it with the Goliath. I broke my current vittatus, my tanzaniae, my silver pike, my tat and my PTC all in less than three days using the methods I described above. Good luck!
 
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i think im gonna stick to the floaters then. easier to clean up after feeding anyways. would u suggest i sell the tats while hes learning? or do u think i could teach them too? cuz they sit near the bottom almost 100% of the time except when its dark and i have the lunar lights on it. also what are some suggestions for the expendable fish? just stuff like silver dollars and other large bodied fish? yours sounds like a monster of a fish :p
 
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