Aggressive bacteria

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Stop trolling antibiotics are an important tool in the hobby. I would have lost many expensive fish to bacterial infections without them. Sure they should not be used all willy nilly but banning them sounds very european. Human, horse, pig, dog, cat antibiotics who cares? It is quite common to use other animal medicines for fish. I would assume human meds would be more safe/pure than "ornamental fish" grade meds.

No, Darius has a point, it's not trolling. There is a reason why certain meds are made specifically for specific species. Each animal has a different morphology, different body plans, different chemistry and something that's safe for say, human consumption, may be not safe for consumption of other animals. In some cases, antibiotics for humans may not be applicable for certain humans even. Obviously in this case, it worked. Ish. And what has lead to the increasing amount of antibiotic-resistant microbes is indeed due to willy nilly uses of antibiotics by humans. MRSA, as Darius talked about, developed resistance EXTREMELY quickly and is becoming a heavy burden due to people treating it in the wrong way. Even vancomycin, the 'last line' drug against MRSA is showing signs of decreased efficacy.

That said, I agree with you. Antibiotics is an important part of the aquarium industry, as with any other industry involving animals. It is a necessity, and private use should not be discouraged/banned, but rather fishkeepers should be taught the importance of using antibiotics correctly and efficiently. Banning solves no problems.
 
we already have enough superbugs which kill ten thousands of people each year in hospitals. The massive use of antibiotics is the reason for that. And yes, banning it, is very european. in europe our sepsis and bacterial infection death rate in hospitals is 65 % lower than in usa. Pharma corporations have to develop antibiotics they hold in the company for emergency reasons, Because people misuse existing antibiotics and create resiliant bacteria. you throw the only existing weapon we have into the toilet. my guess is you never saw someone with MRSA. that misbehavior leads to this: http://ronjones.org/Weblinks/Helena.MRSA-1.400.jpg

warning...its graphic...its not very cool to get this and have no working medication, just because some guy in your neighborhood decided to pump masses of antibiotics into the environment.
 
No, Darius has a point, it's not trolling. There is a reason why certain meds are made specifically for specific species. Each animal has a different morphology, different body plans, different chemistry and something that's safe for say, human consumption, may be not safe for consumption of other animals. In some cases, antibiotics for humans may not be applicable for certain humans even. Obviously in this case, it worked. Ish. And what has lead to the increasing amount of antibiotic-resistant microbes is indeed due to willy nilly uses of antibiotics by humans. MRSA, as Darius talked about, developed resistance EXTREMELY quickly and is becoming a heavy burden due to people treating it in the wrong way. Even vancomycin, the 'last line' drug against MRSA is showing signs of decreased efficacy.

That said, I agree with you. Antibiotics is an important part of the aquarium industry, as with any other industry involving animals. It is a necessity, and private use should not be discouraged/banned, but rather fishkeepers should be taught the importance of using antibiotics correctly and efficiently. Banning solves no problems.

What we need is control. In europe you get no antibiotics on the free market. A doctor must first give you a so called "Rezept". With that you go into the drugstore and get the specific antibiotic. That system makes the possibility of misuse of antibiotics smaller. I believe that most normal people are incapable to understand how antibiotics work and teaching them is lost time. Its important to create a functional system that allows acess to antibiotics when needed and that prevents misuse. He is from brazil. I have friends in brazil and i know that brazil as a 3rd world country has no functional control mechanism and it is shocking for me to see how easy you get that stuff there. My guess is the water he put out his tank as he did water change went down in the channel, when it should be treated as medical waste.
 
You can control people and they will have no idea what's going on. When something does go wrong, these uneducated people will have no idea what's what and hilarity will ensue. It could be of natural reasons, a bug could acquire immunity by itself and treatment would still fail even in places such as Europe. Lack of education also create unfounded rumors, such as using specific antibiotics could cause [insert-random-problem-here]. In many places right now, there is an unfounded fear of antibiotics, and prescription or otherwise, many people will stop taking antibiotics the moment their disease clears up even slightly, which is so much more of a problem when it comes to causing antibiotic resistance. This is because they're not educated, and therefore has to thrive on rumors rather than educated reasonings.

If you take time to teach people the truth, they'll sooner or later understand how exactly they're contributing to antibiotic resistance of microbes, and how it can be slowed down, if not prevented by simple measures that they can apply. And this will protect them against unfounded rumors which in itself can be so much more dangerous.
 
You can control people and they will have no idea what's going on. When something does go wrong, these uneducated people will have no idea what's what and hilarity will ensue. It could be of natural reasons, a bug could acquire immunity by itself and treatment would still fail even in places such as Europe. Lack of education also create unfounded rumors, such as using specific antibiotics could cause [insert-random-problem-here]. In many places right now, there is an unfounded fear of antibiotics, and prescription or otherwise, many people will stop taking antibiotics the moment their disease clears up even slightly, which is so much more of a problem when it comes to causing antibiotic resistance. This is because they're not educated, and therefore has to thrive on rumors rather than educated reasonings.

If you take time to teach people the truth, they'll sooner or later understand how exactly they're contributing to antibiotic resistance of microbes, and how it can be slowed down, if not prevented by simple measures that they can apply. And this will protect them against unfounded rumors which in itself can be so much more dangerous.
I can agree with that. I think best is education + a strict control system.
 
Stop trolling antibiotics are an important tool in the hobby. I would have lost many expensive fish to bacterial infections without them. Sure they should not be used all willy nilly but banning them sounds very european. Human, horse, pig, dog, cat antibiotics who cares? It is quite common to use other animal medicines for fish. I would assume human meds would be more safe/pure than "ornamental fish" grade meds.

+1
 
What we need is control. In europe you get no antibiotics on the free market. A doctor must first give you a so called "Rezept". With that you go into the drugstore and get the specific antibiotic. That system makes the possibility of misuse of antibiotics smaller. I believe that most normal people are incapable to understand how antibiotics work and teaching them is lost time. Its important to create a functional system that allows acess to antibiotics when needed and that prevents misuse. He is from brazil. I have friends in brazil and i know that brazil as a 3rd world country has no functional control mechanism and it is shocking for me to see how easy you get that stuff there. My guess is the water he put out his tank as he did water change went down in the channel, when it should be treated as medical waste.

+1 they have the same system here in england to stop them being bought willy nilly and used for the wrpng reasons etc, and yeah the water he changed should have been treated as medical waste in my opinion
 
Hello,

The discussion about antibiotics was very interesting.
Actually in Brazil, we have such system in order to prevent people buying meds without prescription, I got mine from a veterinary office for your information.

Anyway, unfortunatelly, the changed water was not been treated as medical waste, but thank God, all my fish are fine ;-)
 
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