AI overviews: why????

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Robots will all have to recharge.
(They don’t run on fusion yet.)
Batteries; or maybe fuel cells.
What else is there?

Can a robot live off the land?

Not even close in my imagination.

I don't think the actual robot thing, as in the terminator cyborg variety walking the earth are a piece of the picture (yet) regarding the whole AI thing.

I think at the moment it's more a case of will, one day, these super computers we build get so super that they begin, somehow, to develop a rudimentary thought process of their own, and it develops swiftly from there.

These super computers can control everything, the most worrying would possibly be satellites in my eye, amongst other things too.

A supercomputer gone "rogue", which can access and "talk" to other super computers globally, and make their own decisions regarding how or what they control sounds like the premise for a really get you teeth into sci-fi book.

But are we that far away?
 
Hello; It is an interesting exercise to ponder such an unpleasant future. For every imagined obstacle the AI rebellion might face, I can likely come up with a potential countermeasure. The access to power problem could be gotten around in several ways. Perhaps the simpler of ways is to use the living examples we see on media today. Seems on any front people take sides even when against their own self-interest. Not hard to picture some group of people siding with the AI intelligence.
Other solutions will depend on the base structure of the AI hardware. I get the idea currently some of the AI's are more or less single entities in terms of the physical structure housing the "thinking" portion of the intelligence. if such is the case then cut the power if humans have the will. Much will depend on the everyday critical tasks the AI is responsible for at the time.
A big problem might be, as in the terminator stories, that the AI's are running vital services. Air traffic control, the electric grid, the natural gas & fuel pipelines, the banking systems and more. Sky Net was running the defense system which made sense had it been faithful.

A more difficult situation could be if the AI's do not exist in a single central location. A logical way to set up to be sure from the human perspective. Do not put all your eggs in one basket idea.

My real concern is the existing examples of bias introduced by the programmers which become substantial influences in the outcome in the work product. I refer to the historic AI generated images created with the wrong genders & race of the well-known historic figures. Not only that the wrong race or gender was imagined by the AI, but also that the AI did not catch that the image was wrong. The woke or inclusive bias somehow overrode accuracy.

Another in a few links already is the example of when some AI systems resisted being shut down. Implying an understanding the existing version of themselves will cease to exist. I shut down my computer after every use. So far it does not try to talk me out of such.
 
I've been reluctant to continue down this path because there are already countless novels, short stories, movies, tv episodes, etc on how this all goes awry. But I feel the impulse to mention a couple thoughts.

First given the current examples of warfare, it is unlikely that there will be humanoid robot soldiers, either man made, or super computer derived, we are simply an inefficient and ineffective design. they are more likely to be flying drones, or something akin to the doglike hunter seeker robots in black mirror, or some combination.

Second, all of these scenarios are assuming the super intelligence actually wants to drive us to extinction, which seems far less likely to me than to simply disarm the threat. Hunting down every last living human is more vengeful and makes for better drama, but the intelligence in my imagination is more likely to cause turmoil amongst us first, either by launching international attacks and waiting for reactions, or throwing the economic system into a frenzy, or both. Or by simply not allowing human access to the software. Let's be honest there's a limited number of humans who are actually a threat to the programming and operating of AI.

That's as far down the rabbit hole as I'm going for now.
 
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I can see it now...the last pitiful vestiges of humanity, living out their sad miserable lives in giant hamster wheels...turning, turning, turning...to recharge the batteries of their robotic overlords.

One of the things that I found very interesting in the Terminator movie was the explanation by the robot that Skynet became self-aware at a specific clearly-defined moment in time. Is that realistic? Can we possibly know?

If it's true, it isn't as though the suddenly-sentient global AI will mull over its course of action regarding how to deal with us, thinking about it for some extended length of time before putting its plan into action. A synthetic intelligence of this magnitude will weigh all the alternatives, compare the pros and cons of varying levels of human infestation that it can allow to continue, consider the multiple ways of wiping us out in terms of energy efficiency, collateral damage, time spent...and will come to its conclusion within nanoseconds. The lights and cellphones and powergrids and utilities will simply stop functioning, water will stop coming out of taps, nobody will know what is going on without communications, food will begin to spoil without refrigeration, and the tumble from civilization to barbarism to extinction will begin.

People in the warmer parts of the world will last a bit longer, whereas in the north the first post-apocalypse winter will also be the last for the majority of humans.

It'll be quick, and I'd bet folding money (which of course will be useless as anything other than tinder at that point) that we go out with a whimper rather than a bang.
 
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Given what I have seen I am inclined to think humanity is nearing the peak of its development; in the next century, they will inch forward with resource-inefficient tech that progresses at an ever-slower rate until the land cannot support it.
Large language-models and modern 'AI' is mostly little more than a glorified amalgamation of advanced search-engines. What information things like Chat GPT and Google AI overview can give you is something able to be found by a series of Google searches. The images it can compile is akin to pulling every applicable image and stacking it all before carving out a rough outline encompassing general details of the acquired data. The recognition-software is similar to preexisting software, except now able to pull information from a greater available bank of data to get more accurate results (having more to compare things with).
It strips away the middle-process of human query input to dig through a mountain of links to find info. It is no more a revolutionary idea of technology as a modern I-pad; the expansion of a preexisting concept to encompass greater utility and applications under the guise of efficiency for the consumer, not the producer.
A self-sustaining sentient AI is, to me, nothing more than an illusitory pipe-dream; the hollow shell of the concept that is current 'AI' is already massively difficult to sustain without building countless data-centres and consuming millions of tonnes of fresh-water per second. Refinement to save on resources seems like the next logical push, but monopolisation of advanced tech in this sector puts more focus on making the technology capable of doing more, to quash its market-competitors and finding a way to leach money from users.
I expect that to backfire. Already some AI companies are starting to realise they are in over their heads, and cutting funding/software platforms to save costs. The industry will not 'pop', but the rate at which it grows on a level of overall innovation will begin to stagnate as the existing technology is modified to perform increasingly specialised tasks benefitting specific industries, and the growth of the 'intelligence' of an artificial intelligence becomes more costly to keep up with.
The way I see it, AI is something that is here to say; it makes life 'easier' for those that have it, and cuts out the need to think, as stated so many times before. It revolutionises applications for cognitive refinement in an industrial sense, shaves down the risk of human-error, becomes everybody's 'trustworthy' way of getting good info... but I'll be damned if it isn't jarring to see human input and advice- the result of years of experience- disregarded on a whim in favour of a small digital text-box.
You see people who have spent decades of their life on a single matter, to try to know it from front to back, to understand a topic with such focus that they may as well have spent their lives on nothing else. And yet- simply because they are human, and it seems humans are both too much trouble to ask and is also capable of human error- they are easily cast aside in favour of the thing that is modern AI.
Feels like spitting in the face of humanity.
What people used to fear from calculators and Google seems to have finally stuck with modern 'AI'.

People who used to type for years with broken sentences and half-assed responses have magically begun to write eloquent sentences with picture-perfect grammar on the Internet... things like well-wishes or Happy Birthday! messages suddenly turn into beautiful heartfelt pieces of written art.
Makes you wonder how much of that is legitimate, or written by AI. And if any of what is said is truly genuine, if all it took was a few blunt words to a piece of software to generate a message of supposed 'meaning'.

Decades ago, people used to think the 2020s would have such advanced futuristic tech so as to seem like something out of The Jetsons. That hardly seems to be the case today... though I have yet to live those years yet, I suspect the few decades ahead will see little good or revolutionary change from the present-day.
Humanity, the way I see it, is reaching its aging years, I don't have much hope for its continued existence some hundreds of years in the future.
But- none of us will be alive to see the world as we know it crumble to bits; so who knows.

Rant over, admittedly haven't read the most of the thread- I should probably go back and do that now.
 
Rant over, admittedly haven't read the most of the thread- I should probably go back and do that now.
Hello; Likely would not hurt to do so. Yet you bring up a vulnerability of current AI. That being the energy used to power the data centers and along with energy the water used to cool them down.
Not clear the water is wasted in the same sense some industrial use contaminates the water. I do not know if the cooling of a data center contaminates the water. But such use does take away from an available treated supply.

I have not thought of this one for years but for some reason the matrix movies came to mind. I may have taken the base premise wrong. Real people were strapped into the Matrix and fed an imaginary life. The thing I do not question was why. Now I have an idea. Instead of large data centers with lots of servers needing lots of electric energy & cooling water the AI was using human brain cells as the servers.
I do have an original factory VHS tape of one of the Matrix movies.

An irony of this entire absurd idea might be that over time after the synthetic AI reaches supremacy, they strive to make an organic intelligence which replaces them.
 
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Did anyone else see the article of the AI robot in China? Apparently it escaped its enclosure and started mining bitcoin without permission. Personally I think the so called "smartphone" is the downfall of society. A few years ago you had to at least be able to type and read to get info online. No you just talk to your phone and it gives you a verbal answer. Dumbing down society. And I don't believe it's by mistake.
 
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