albino turtle collection

[albinosunlimited]

i was thinking the same thing. i cant believe snakes have to get that cold to breed lol
from every thing i have read on them it looks like they need to be at least 5 years old before people try to start breeding them

 

[Brooklynella]

still not answering my question mate. your turning this into a flaming match.
all im asking is if you knew or not.
requires a yes or no answer, not a 'this, that, i know this' from either of us. If you continue avoiding the question and twisting it,then the bickerings gonna continue..:S

oh and please just reply to the writing in bold this time which is what ive been asking from the start rather than arguing about percentages of turtles..

You have to figure breeding Albino's started somewhere. Albino snakes, for example, were very hard to find back in the 1980's. Now they are everywhere... Who knows what health problems arose during the early attempts to mass breed albino snakes?
Point is, if this guy breeds albino turtles there may or may not be collateral damage as a result- it remains to be seen. If he succedes he may be on to the next big trend and make a pile of $$.

 

[joel]

beautiful collection

 

[davo]

i was thinking the same thing. i cant believe snakes have to get that cold to breed lol
from every thing i have read on them it looks like they need to be at least 5 years old before people try to start breeding them

yeah, I'm not sure how low most people take them, but I saw someone on another forum had theirs down to almost 8 degrees C... he was getting mating out of them though, can't remember if he got ovulation though...

 

[Jessica Dring]

Well if he didn't he certainly does now... the only way this will turn into a flaming match is your desperate need for him to answer.

Many (if not all for as much as I know...) albino animals including humans suffer vision problems as development of the retina in the back of the eye is abnormal with albinos (in fact with humans I think it is part of the classification of being albino-many are also legally blind). It means a lot of animals are vision impaired in comparison to their normal counterparts by varying degrees. Rats for example 20/600 for most rats and 20/1200 for albino rats. With snakes... It probably won't make a great deal of difference because they generally don't have the best of vision and have other far more superior ways of "seeing". I'm pretty sure if your going to be against these, you'd have to be against all albino's including humans-and should such not breed.

There are far worse traits that are being bred in different animals, which you could class as cruel...

My desperate need for an answer? Davo my 'desperate need for an answer' is because I say one thing and it gets twisted into 'how is my albino turtles any different from your albino kingsnake and albino corn snake'.

My main reason for such 'desperation for an answer' was because the way ASL was replying was such as offence had been taken, and this was never my intention. So each time he twisted it and replied in a manor of point scoring (obviously because no matter how many times i put a smiley in my post or compliment his turtles he still can't quite grasp the meaning of 'Im not flaming or having ago, im just asking if you knew').

Who said I was against Albinoism? Sorry mate, but I never once stated that, and I would be a huge hipercrit (which I don't like to be) having keeping two species of albino animals.

The one thing I did say was that if albinoism however hinders snakes health and/or ability to find food like it does in albino tortoises and turtles then I would no longer keep them after my two pass away...as I won't support a trade that hinders animals health to my knowledge.

As for albino animals being bred, I know it takes somewhere to get them being bred worldwide, but as far as I know snakes haven't shared the problems that albino turtles and tortoises have - however if I am wrong, feel more than free to post proof I am wrong and I will admit my mistake more than willingly.

 

[davo]

My desperate need for an answer? Davo my 'desperate need for an answer' is because I say one thing and it gets twisted into 'how is my albino turtles any different from your albino kingsnake and albino corn snake'.

My main reason for such 'desperation for an answer' was because the way ASL was replying was such as offence had been taken, and this was never my intention. So each time he twisted it and replied in a manor of point scoring (obviously because no matter how many times i put a smiley in my post or compliment his turtles he still can't quite grasp the meaning of 'Im not flaming or having ago, im just asking if you knew').

Who said I was against Albinoism? Sorry mate, but I never once stated that, and I would be a huge hipercrit (which I don't like to be) having keeping two species of albino animals.

The one thing I did say was that if albinoism however hinders snakes health and/or ability to find food like it does in albino tortoises and turtles then I would no longer keep them after my two pass away...as I won't support a trade that hinders animals health to my knowledge.

As for albino animals being bred, I know it takes somewhere to get them being bred worldwide, but as far as I know snakes haven't shared the problems that albino turtles and tortoises have - however if I am wrong, feel more than free to post proof I am wrong and I will admit my mistake more than willingly.

You just seem to be making a big deal out of not much... so him saying what the difference between my turtle and your snake could be a legititamate question and a fair one- as he said his experience is albinism has not effected any of his turtles negatively. Also said he did not want to start a bickering match of peoples ethics in the albino vs non-albino turtles, which is the authors right... his thread.
Anyhow, like I said, if he wasn't aware, he sure is now... and he is still intent on breeding them, so I guess that's that.

Sorry mate - Never said you were. Just stating that it effects most animals if not all, and so obviously you would be either all for or all against (or at least the larger proportion).

I don't know about the snakes (agreed, not that you can compare them), but the thing about snakes is eyesight usually comes second to other techniques depending on species, so it wouldn't effect it finding food in the same way.

If finding food is then your only problem, what about hand feeding or putting food in front of it's face?

I think there was an albino gecko of some kind that when it was born it was blind, but they kept trying it and eventually like everything, there was one born that wasn't- just through trying and trying again. Can't remember the details on that one, was a long time ago I was told it.

 

[Brooklynella]

You just seem to be making a big deal out of not much... so him saying what the difference between my turtle and your snake could be a legititamate question and a fair one- as he said his experience is albinism has not effected any of his turtles negatively.

Sorry mate - Never said you were. Just stating that it effects most animals if not all, and so obviously you would be either all for or all against (or at least the larger proportion).

I don't know about the snakes (agreed, not that you can compare them), but the thing about snakes is eyesight usually comes second to other techniques depending on species, so it wouldn't effect it finding food in the same way.

If finding food is then your only problem, what about hand feeding or putting food in front of it's face?

I think there was an albino gecko of some kind that when it was born it was blind, but they kept trying it and eventually like everything, there was one born that wasn't- just through trying and trying again. Can't remember the details on that one, was a long time ago I was told it.

I think your last paragraph is what Jessica is referring to: How many blind Gecko's need to suffer to "Suceed"? Is this even Sucess?
I wouldn't dare try to speak for her though.
I think in the end, people breed reptiles to make money and you can't be too judgemental or "Concerned" how these animals turn out if you are among those lining up to buy them.

 

[monsternoob]

Jessica you are wrong, some albino boas are born with no eyes/ one eye, and their siblings are sold as breeders, not destroyed. The overlying theme is $$$, people will do these things if they can make money. (Not accusing you albinosunlimited). There are also websites which sell two headed and no eyed turtles.

 

[Kioka]

Jessie is not really asking about the right of albinos to exist, but rather the breeders' ethnics. I means most albinos are inbred nowaday and come with genetic problems, like the one-eyed albino boa that seem to plague every albino boa constrictor litter nowaday.

You can't compare them to humans, at least we can choose who to marry and who to have sex with. Captive animals, especially reptiles, don't have that choice when they are left in a small cage. I means sure the female can reject the male, but after awhile the male will stress her out in order to let him mate her.

Anyway, the only thing you can do is not buy any morphs resulting from albinism, don't breed them or eliminate albino carriers in your stock. The albino market is here to stay, and it won't go away.

 

[Brooklynella]

Being a bit old school, I hadn't spent much time looking for reptiles but the internet has spawned a slew of "Breeders" that are trying to pawn off everything they can as being "Special". "This one is Pastel, this one is 32% Albino." Yeah, whatever dude.
The only thing funnier than that is the prices some of you are paying for these special specimens.