Almond leaves in aquariums
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Yeah that’s why I got them I read all kinds of good things about them. But now I’m thinking just leave it alone they’re doing excellent right now.. Thanks for the insight!
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There are liquid tannins you can add to the tank if needed...if your discus are doing ok then no need.
I would highly recommend using that for a betta. Tannins have antibacterial properties and lower pH. Bettas come from soft, acidic water and do best in that kind of setup.
Also, if you're looking to breed them, they'll breed about twice as fast in the above setup.
I would highly recommend using that for a betta. Tannins have antibacterial properties and lower pH. Bettas come from soft, acidic water and do best in that kind of setup.
Also, if you're looking to breed them, they'll breed about twice as fast in the above setup.
Who will breed twice as fast in my 90 gallon? Don’t you feel like the discus are big enough to begin pairing off in a couple of months or so?
Tannins can slightly lower pH, and (as said) have antibacterial properties.
That said, a half dozen leaves in a 90 gallon is like adding 1 green MnM to a thousand brown ones, a drop in the bucket.
Adding a bag of leaves to your average tiny Betta enclosure is a different story.
Bettas in nature live in shallow plant choked areas, sometimes only a few inches deep (e.g. a rice paddy), and putting them in deep tanks can be stressful, unless the surface is filled with floating vegetation.
Tannins in some places are also a seasonal phenom.
Where I live the rainy season has just started and the rains are washing leaves, flowers everywhere, and dripping tannins off old branches and wood constantly..
My tank is outside, and affected by all those things.
The pH of the water in the tank, went from 8.2 in the dry season, to 7.4 after only few days of the deluges.
Before rain and tannins.
after the infusion of tannins
I used to work to get tannins in my tanks in the states, by soaking leaves, wood and adding the brown water to tanks with water changes, that had fish favoring tannins, now they are so thick, I do water changes to dilute them.
As RD said, with todays designer fish like the line bred discus, and line bred Betta that are "not" used for fighting, trying to add tannins may be a fruitless endeavor (unless the fish start getting bacterial maladies).
If however, you are trying to keep wild caught, Amazonian black water species like certain angels, Uaru fernandezyepizzi, or Asian black water Anabantoids like Luciophalus, or wild type Betta species tannins may be a major key to their good health.
That said, a half dozen leaves in a 90 gallon is like adding 1 green MnM to a thousand brown ones, a drop in the bucket.
Adding a bag of leaves to your average tiny Betta enclosure is a different story.
Bettas in nature live in shallow plant choked areas, sometimes only a few inches deep (e.g. a rice paddy), and putting them in deep tanks can be stressful, unless the surface is filled with floating vegetation.
Tannins in some places are also a seasonal phenom.
Where I live the rainy season has just started and the rains are washing leaves, flowers everywhere, and dripping tannins off old branches and wood constantly..
My tank is outside, and affected by all those things.
The pH of the water in the tank, went from 8.2 in the dry season, to 7.4 after only few days of the deluges.
Before rain and tannins.
after the infusion of tannins
I used to work to get tannins in my tanks in the states, by soaking leaves, wood and adding the brown water to tanks with water changes, that had fish favoring tannins, now they are so thick, I do water changes to dilute them.
As RD said, with todays designer fish like the line bred discus, and line bred Betta that are "not" used for fighting, trying to add tannins may be a fruitless endeavor (unless the fish start getting bacterial maladies).
If however, you are trying to keep wild caught, Amazonian black water species like certain angels, Uaru fernandezyepizzi, or Asian black water Anabantoids like Luciophalus, or wild type Betta species tannins may be a major key to their good health.
Wow. Thank you so much for the insight! I get it now. They serve no purpose unless I’m dosing the entire aquarium. Is the driftwood I’m placing in the aquarium doing the same? I don’t notice a stain in the water. It’s always crystal clear.Tannins can slightly lower pH, and (as said) have antibacterial properties.
That said, a half dozen leaves in a 90 gallon is like adding 1 green MnM to a thousand brown ones, a drop in the bucket.
Adding a bag of leaves to your average tiny Betta enclosure is a different story.
Bettas in nature live in shallow plant choked areas, sometimes only a few inches deep (e.g. a rice paddy), and putting them in deep tanks can be stressful, unless the surface is filled with floating vegetation.
Tannins in some places are also a seasonal phenom.
Where I live the rainy season has just started and the rains are washing leaves, flowers everywhere, and dripping tannins off old branches and wood constantly..
My tank is outside, and affected by all those things.
The pH of the water in the tank, went from 8.2 in the dry season, to 7.4 after only few days of the deluges.
Before rain and tannins.
View attachment 1374961
after the infusion of tannins
View attachment 1374962
I used to work to get tannins in my tanks in the states, by soaking leaves, wood and adding the brown water to tanks with water changes, that had fish favoring tannins, now they are so thick, I do water changes to dilute them.
As RD said, with todays designer fish like the line bred discus, and line bred Betta that are "not" used for fighting, trying to add tannins may be a fruitless endeavor (unless the fish start getting bacterial maladies).
If however, you are trying to keep wild caught, Amazonian black water species like certain angels, Uaru fernandezyepizzi, or Asian black water Anabantoids like Luciophalus, or wild type Betta species tannins may be a major key to their good health.
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+1.Tannins can slightly lower pH, and (as said) have antibacterial properties.
That said, a half dozen leaves in a 90 gallon is like adding 1 green MnM to a thousand brown ones, a drop in the bucket.
Adding a bag of leaves to your average tiny Betta enclosure is a different story.
Bettas in nature live in shallow plant choked areas, sometimes only a few inches deep (e.g. a rice paddy), and putting them in deep tanks can be stressful, unless the surface is filled with floating vegetation.
Tannins in some places are also a seasonal phenom.
Where I live the rainy season has just started and the rains are washing leaves, flowers everywhere, and dripping tannins off old branches and wood constantly..
My tank is outside, and affected by all those things.
The pH of the water in the tank, went from 8.2 in the dry season, to 7.4 after only few days of the deluges.
Before rain and tannins.
View attachment 1374961
after the infusion of tannins
View attachment 1374962
I used to work to get tannins in my tanks in the states, by soaking leaves, wood and adding the brown water to tanks with water changes, that had fish favoring tannins, now they are so thick, I do water changes to dilute them.
As RD said, with todays designer fish like the line bred discus, and line bred Betta that are "not" used for fighting, trying to add tannins may be a fruitless endeavor (unless the fish start getting bacterial maladies).
If however, you are trying to keep wild caught, Amazonian black water species like certain angels, Uaru fernandezyepizzi, or Asian black water Anabantoids like Luciophalus, or wild type Betta species tannins may be a major key to their good health.
Just wanted to make it clear that I was talking about a betta enclosure. There is no reason to put tannins in for your discus if they're doing well.
