Altum angels - impossible?

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ewok

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hi, i've been very tempted lately to try my hand at altum angels. i've kept fish for a long time, and have successfully kept quite a large number of fish.

i've read quite a bit about altums and there seems to be a mix of answers, so i wanted to get to the bottom of things - are they really fish that may die on you just like that?

what are people's experiences with them? they are somewhat pricey but i think they are darn well worth it.
 
Tien, try Rkc/Rich... he gets them in periodically. I personally dig them..... very cool angels esp. in a planted tank! Good Luck.
 
The problem with altums is that all of them are wild caught, so they're pretty much the equivilant of discus when they were first being introduced to the hobby years ago.

If you can keep up with the work required to keep them alive then they're easy, it just requires large water changes to keep nitrates under 20 ppm (under 10 if they're young), a large tall tank and a large enough shoal of angels to spread out aggression properly.

Other things to consider are how much the pH in your water drops when it's aged ect.

They aren't so terrible that they're just going to die on you for no reason, but they are a very unforgiving fish and require accuracy and dedication in their care.

EDIT: It would also be a good idea to treat them with a round of metro as if they have parasites, unless you know the importer you're getting them from has had them for over 3 months with no problems in captivity and you trust that importer.
 
dirtyblacksocks;1583199; said:
I'd say they're quite possibly one of the most unforgiving fresh water fish commonly available right now, good luck and keep us posted!

I have kept wild caught Discus, and I cannot keep Altums alive. I have lost hundreds of $$$ trying a couple times now and I know other very experienced aquarist that have never been able to keep them alive. Some people get a only a couple out of a dozen to live.
 
Hi Ewok, Altum are enigmatic fish, sadly, most appear to be dead within a month of import. however, I have seen some importations that have acclimatised with low mortality and grown on well. IMHO the fish that survive import and acclimatisation are no more difficult than other extreme softwater fish. I have kept them for some years (currently have thirteen and I am no great shakes as a fish keeper) with more success than failure. My experience leads me to believe that they are happier in water that has a good dose of plant extracts (humins, saponins etc) such as you get when conditioning with peat. Although these fish will always be susceptible to problems if not given adequate water conditions, the major problem is getting them through initiall acclimatisation. They appear to have little in the way of an immune system that can cope with the pathogens they encounter in our systems. As dirtyblacksocks says they need to be in sufficient numbers to spread the aggression (I have had them kill each other) and even after they are established, they do not like changes in water conditions (such as transportation). But they are one cracking fish! Yes they do need a large tall tank (I promise you they get to 18 inches tall if you can give them good conditions) There are a few tank breds about sporadically especially in Europe, they do not usually make any more money than wildcaughts!. There are often established fish sold by aquarists that have gotten fed up with wating for them to breed (it just doesn't seem to happen) these fish are allmost certainly the best bet whatever the price (I think the cheapest dead fish are the most expensive) I have bought established fish for less than the price of new imports, these fish have such a reputation that people are reluctant to risk them. Few people get to see the adult fish, if you can get Altum going in a large tank they are well worth it, a truly magnificent Cichlid.
 
phillausten - i agree with what you say about altums. they are so much more graceful than normal angels for some reason. they seem to be like the high maintenance fashion models of the angel world.
i'll see where things go... but man i definitely want to give them a go sometime.
 
ewok;1583196; said:
thanks for the feedback, socks
i need to rethink this a bit i suppose...


NO YOU DON"T :D

Be the frontrunner in more breeding!!! :D Bla bla thats just my opinion... Learn about RO and water chemistry!! It sounds like it's time for you to do that anyway ;)

That would be cool to see some altums on here... I believe there are some.. but more people owning them is more people about to breed them into the hobby1! ;)

I'm sick with cold don't pay attention to my babbling this next couple days.....
 
LMAO
yeah i've been pretty lucky with water quality, that's for sure. i bring fish into my home and it's like they are at a resort :D

but seriously... altums are a big gamble... even more than the time when i bought in my true parrot cichlids... i thought THAT was going to be crazy. it was actually no sweat ;)

i'll keep looking around... i have some ideas on what i am gonna set up...
 
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