Altum wrigglers
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Are they true altum or Peruvian altum? I don't think true altum's have any recorded cases of being bred in a tank...then again a 4000 gallon tank is more of a habitat, haha.
Yes they are true altums, here is a link to a webshots page with his tanks, I am not sure how I can prove they are, but if you see his house, maybe you will understand.
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2860323290043000261Bmuqit
look around at the fish tanks on that folder, its pretty impressive. He built each of the 4000 gallon tanks by himself.
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2860323290043000261Bmuqit
look around at the fish tanks on that folder, its pretty impressive. He built each of the 4000 gallon tanks by himself.
Well it's not impossible. I'm not sure - as I'm sure nobody is - what triggers Altum to spawn in the wild. So it may just be an issue of size constraints as they are a bit more aggressive then sclarae and grow HUGE by comparison.
Those still look like they have slightly thinned out bars for true altum's, IMO. But Peruvians usually have flaws in their patterns, such as spotting or uneven lines.
The morphology of the fish looks correct, though.
Video of the altum:
http://eyoyo.free.fr/zaltoumes/index.htm
Here are some videos and photo's of true altums for comparison - if he did get them to spawn that's a pretty big accomplishment.
Those still look like they have slightly thinned out bars for true altum's, IMO. But Peruvians usually have flaws in their patterns, such as spotting or uneven lines.
The morphology of the fish looks correct, though.
Video of the altum:
http://eyoyo.free.fr/zaltoumes/index.htm
Here are some videos and photo's of true altums for comparison - if he did get them to spawn that's a pretty big accomplishment.
Young angelfish and discus are really strange in that they'll often eat their wrigglers - I think it's a result of females stressing males to the point of them wanting to eliminate the point of what's cuasing the behavior.
I'm not entirely sure there are many people in the world keeping true altum's in such large tanks, so there's a better possibility that he may have gotten them to spawn versus say your average hobbyist with a 300 gallon tank.
Still, with discus and angelfish it can some times take a pair a good year to figure out what's going on - in discus males will often pair off at 8-12 months old but not be mature enough to breed until they're 2-3 years of age.
I'm not entirely sure if the same goes with angelfish, but since Altum's are still wild caught versus the sclarae being homegrown for years and years. It's entirely possible that they may resemble a discus' breeding habits more closely.
I'm not entirely sure there are many people in the world keeping true altum's in such large tanks, so there's a better possibility that he may have gotten them to spawn versus say your average hobbyist with a 300 gallon tank.
Still, with discus and angelfish it can some times take a pair a good year to figure out what's going on - in discus males will often pair off at 8-12 months old but not be mature enough to breed until they're 2-3 years of age.
I'm not entirely sure if the same goes with angelfish, but since Altum's are still wild caught versus the sclarae being homegrown for years and years. It's entirely possible that they may resemble a discus' breeding habits more closely.
PoopSmart;1469706; said:
The ones in that link are not true altums! The body is too round and the predorsal notch is not well defined enough. Also, the bars are not correct for true altums. The ones in dirtyblacksocks post above are the real deal.
The ones in the link above are probably some type of wild scalare sold as 'Peruvian Altums'.
Spawning of the true altum has happened, but is super-rare. This is one of the only documented accounts that I have seen: http://finarama.com/tba/chronicles/fornback.htm
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