Altum wrigglers

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Wait I know what peruvian altum is, I just called them false altums. My girlfriend has one in a 10 gallon. Those are much easier to take care of than altums. Those in that tank look different than the false altums.


I don't know if you want to believe me or not, but it was seen by everyone in the entire missouri aquarium society last week. I think one of them woudl have caught it if it wasn't. I have an aquarium atlas and they look the exact same to me.
 
There aren't many people out there that are familiar with the differences between a peruvian and true altum.

I'm not saying either way, those pictures aren't good enough for me to make a good judgement.

If they are Peruvian altum's they've got some of the most solid coloring I've ever seen on one, peruvian altum's almost ALWAYS have spotting or uneven bars.

Still, the true altums that I posted definately have a different appearance from what I've seen in that tank.

Hard to say, either way it's pretty cool =)
 


I've been keeping/breeding scalare for 25yrs. I got my first true altum in 1985.

if you look at the angelfish highest up that I've drawn a blue triangle above, the profile of that fish is not altum at all. Also, altums will show 'shadow bars' between the regular bars. The regular bars on altums are also thicker towards the top. I see nothing but scalare in that pic - not one thing that makes be think altum. Look at the fish below for examples of what I'm talking about:



I do believe that there are wrigglers there, but that's yet another thing that makes me sure that they're not the real thing. Not trying to debate you, but I am really far from convinced and i've seen a lot of these fish.

BTW, 'Peruvians' can be incredibly variable in markings and shape.

windsurfer
 
I am with Dirtyblacksocks and Windsurfer on this, those fish in the marvellous setup on the link are not Orinoco Altum, they are one of the (many) lovely Scalare variants. It is absolutely true, as Blacksocks suggests, few of us get the chance to see these fish sufficiently often to be aware of the differences. One of the commonest confusions is the differences between juveniles and adults, the profiles, body shapes and fin to body ratios change with maturity. For the most part the Altum (I am talking the Orinoco fish) has a greater ability to vary its colouration with mood, swinging from a washed out slightly sepia phase with the bars barely visible through sepias and browns to jet black bars when excited (or very ill). I do hope that the guy has some Altum and breeds them (the setup is marvellous), but those fish in the link are a Scalare.
Phill.
 
In my opinion, they aren't true altum.
I think scalare, here is scalare pic.
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Altum breeding is very very very difficult.
there is true altum breeding pics.
The breeder live in seoul. S. KOREA.
This is the first true altum breeder in KOREA.
http://blog.naver.com/ksc5044?Redirect=Log&logNo=110018985500

And I have ever heard that there are some true altum breeder in japan.
this is site http://www.kaff.jp/index.html
 
wow Jacochai! Thanks for those links! I would like to translate those pages! Especially the Korean one. Just incredible seeing them lay eggs. and the fry even lived! It would be interesting to know the water parameters and diet. Also, if any changes were made to induce spawning.

thanks much,
windsurfer
 
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