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Dylan

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I have a quick story for you. I dislike my mother very much at the moment, i think she is shallow and has not learned the meaning of friendship.

Ive had a friend since 3rd grade who I am practically brothers with, he unfortunately does terrible in school, and dresses kind of strange. My mom says "birds of a feather flock together" She thinks that I shouldn't hangout with him because of how he looks and how he will make me look.

My view on this is that im mature enough to not care what other people think of me, and i don't care about how my friend looks or how he does in school, hes still my friend no matter what, she says.. why don't you hangout with your popular friends? and when i ask her why she says "because they are popular and get good grades!" Is that all that matters in life? Image?
 
Whether or not your mothers advise is correct may be debatable.
But she is giving it because she cares about you and your future. You should not hate her just because you don't agree with one piece of advise. Instead thank her for caring enough to give it, even if respectfully disagreeing.
A good way to be treated like a reasonable and responsible young adult is to first act like one.
And yes, generally that is how life works. People often do take on the habits and characteristics of those that surround them.
Yes, image matters. Why do you think we all spend so much effort on it?
Do whatever you want.
But consider this, you may be a good friend for him but is he a good friend for you?
Does he hold you back? Is it your fault he can't compete?
I don't know the answer to that. You do.
Why is it important for him to project the image of a Bad-Boy loser?
Are you required to be part of that forever just because you knew him before?
As you grow and want different things for yourself you may need to cut him loose.
That is how it works.
The life you create for yourself begins with the choices you make.
We can't tell you if your life will be better with or without him.
He might be worth keeping, if he gives you more than he takes away.
This is your choice, not mine or your mothers.
But make it yours. Don't choose just to be stubborn and prove her wrong.
Because she might be right.
 
Image is only skin deep my friend.

Don't ever judge people by the way they dress or what kind of grades they make. No one is perfect, not you or your mother. Your friend might not do great in school, but that doesn't make him any less than you are. If you decide to limit yourself to a certain group of people, you're truly missing out. You may turn a blind eye on the most amazing person in the universe, and not even realize it because they wore clothes you weren't used to.

Sounds to me like your friend needs someone like you. Don't EVER give up on him. Especially now. Help him get better grades, be there for him. You've got to be a strong person and not let him bring you down.

I've been that person... The kid that everyone's parents want to keep their children away from. So I can tell you this from personal experience. Having a friend that loves you unconditionally means more than the world. And it works wonders... Not everyone's as lucky as your friend! Don't let him down.

Like the good man Ghandi says, Hate the sin, not the sinner :)
 
Tai Mai Shu;2142456; said:
Image is only skin deep my friend.

Don't ever judge people by the way they dress or what kind of grades they make. No one is perfect, not you or your mother. Your friend might not do great in school, but that doesn't make him any less than you are. If you decide to limit yourself to a certain group of people, you're truly missing out. You may turn a blind eye on the most amazing person in the universe, and not even realize it because they wore clothes you weren't used to.

Sounds to me like your friend needs someone like you. Don't EVER give up on him. Especially now. Help him get better grades, be there for him. You've got to be a strong person and not let him bring you down.

I've been that person... The kid that everyone's parents want to keep their children away from. So I can tell you this from personal experience. Having a friend that loves you unconditionally means more than the world. And it works wonders... Not everyone's as lucky as your friend! Don't let him down.

Like the good man Ghandi says, Hate the sin, not the sinner :)


That's good advise to help Dylan's friend. But not necessarily good for Dylan.
Dylan is free to live his own life. He is not responsible for the decisions of others. It is not fair to tell him to not EVER give up on someone.
Dylan needs to decide what the limits are.
His friend dresses odd. So what? No big deal. Maybe the friendship is worth more than that.
His friend would rather screw around than study. So what? As long as Dylan says "Well you do what you want, I've got work to do."
What if this friend gets involved in more self destructive behavior?
Like drugs, violence, crime...
Where is the line? How much is Dylan responsible for?
I am not saying Dylan should or shouldn't dump his buddy now or ever.
I am saying Dylan has the right to decide his own limits. And his own direction.
Dylan is not responsible for the choices of anyone besides Dylan.
Don't be giving him guilt he did not earn.
Don't be telling him he must always stand beside his buddy, no matter what crap is going down.
Dylan must draw his own line.

Dylan, you have one life. It does not belong to your mother. It does not belong to your friend. Live it any way you want.
To reach the shores of whatever lands you seek, you will have occasion to decide who comes along for the ride. And who get's chucked overboard to keep the whole ship from sinking.
If he is worth having on your crew, then keep him.
If he becomes lost and you can redirect him without loosing yourself, do so.
If he insists on drowning, let him go.
His life is made of his choices.
If his destination lays along a different heading, why keep both ships lashed together forever?
 
in kindergarten my best friends mom told him that i was dirty and bad..... she would not let us play :( he's probably a doctor or sumtin now :(instead of a squirrel...}lol
 
Spankbelly;2144633; said:
That's good advise to help Dylan's friend. But not necessarily good for Dylan.
Dylan is free to live his own life. He is not responsible for the decisions of others. It is not fair to tell him to not EVER give up on someone.
Dylan needs to decide what the limits are.
His friend dresses odd. So what? No big deal. Maybe the friendship is worth more than that.
His friend would rather screw around than study. So what? As long as Dylan says "Well you do what you want, I've got work to do."
What if this friend gets involved in more self destructive behavior?
Like drugs, violence, crime...
Where is the line? How much is Dylan responsible for?
I am not saying Dylan should or shouldn't dump his buddy now or ever.
I am saying Dylan has the right to decide his own limits. And his own direction.
Dylan is not responsible for the choices of anyone besides Dylan.
Don't be giving him guilt he did not earn.
Don't be telling him he must always stand beside his buddy, no matter what crap is going down.
Dylan must draw his own line.

Dylan, you have one life. It does not belong to your mother. It does not belong to your friend. Live it any way you want.
To reach the shores of whatever lands you seek, you will have occasion to decide who comes along for the ride. And who get's chucked overboard to keep the whole ship from sinking.
If he is worth having on your crew, then keep him.
If he becomes lost and you can redirect him without loosing yourself, do so.
If he insists on drowning, let him go.
His life is made of his choices.
If his destination lays along a different heading, why keep both ships lashed together forever?

you have a gift for writing very complicated emotional matters and making someone pay attention.. Not an easy issue to define... but great points were made in your explanations..
 
OddBaller;2144720; said:
in kindergarten my best friends mom told him that i was dirty and bad..... she would not let us play :( he's probably a doctor or sumtin now :(instead of a squirrel...}lol
{instead of a squirrel.. you are so funny oddball.. :D}
 
Spankbelly;2144633; said:
That's good advise to help Dylan's friend. But not necessarily good for Dylan.
Dylan is free to live his own life. He is not responsible for the decisions of others. It is not fair to tell him to not EVER give up on someone.
Dylan needs to decide what the limits are.
His friend dresses odd. So what? No big deal. Maybe the friendship is worth more than that.
His friend would rather screw around than study. So what? As long as Dylan says "Well you do what you want, I've got work to do."
What if this friend gets involved in more self destructive behavior?
Like drugs, violence, crime...
Where is the line? How much is Dylan responsible for?
I am not saying Dylan should or shouldn't dump his buddy now or ever.
I am saying Dylan has the right to decide his own limits. And his own direction.
Dylan is not responsible for the choices of anyone besides Dylan.
Don't be giving him guilt he did not earn.
Don't be telling him he must always stand beside his buddy, no matter what crap is going down.
Dylan must draw his own line.

Dylan, you have one life. It does not belong to your mother. It does not belong to your friend. Live it any way you want.
To reach the shores of whatever lands you seek, you will have occasion to decide who comes along for the ride. And who get's chucked overboard to keep the whole ship from sinking.
If he is worth having on your crew, then keep him.
If he becomes lost and you can redirect him without loosing yourself, do so.
If he insists on drowning, let him go.
His life is made of his choices.
If his destination lays along a different heading, why keep both ships lashed together forever?

I absolutely agree - with both your posts Spank.
I think your mother's delivery of that message may have come off shallow, and a bit cold, but perhaps if you sat down and talked to her about her thoughts, and reasoning, and concerns, you might see it a little differently.
I had "that" friend before who I loved dearly, and did everything with. She started off fine but as we grew and went into high school, she became promiscuous, started smoking, experimenting with drugs, cutting class, etc., etc., etc....
For the longest time none of this phased me, I was like "ok whatever, that's just Jennifer." But it worried my parent's (and her's, make no mistake!), and several times she was brought up as the topic of serious discussions, and my parent's urged me to take some space from her, find myself, and focus on what I needed to be focusing on, instead of her.
Of course at that age I took it like a personal attack on me "My parents hate me, they don't want me to be happy, They control my life, blaa blaa blaa"...yea, No.

I argued, blamed them for wanting to pull us apart, and ran the whole marathon time and time again, when really, my parent's only wanted me to see what they saw from the outside looking in, which was me, always giving, and her, now always taking. But I didn't listen, so it went on for another year and then I had to learn the hard way on my own how she had become. I had to make that choice to cut her out of my life when she betrayed me and lied to me and made me look like a fool in front of everyone...It hurt so bad, but it was my choice to make and I had blinded myself to it before.

It's your choice to make too. But you need to make it for you, talk to your mom and ask her if there is more that concerns her, or that she has noticed outside of simple appearances. She may be seeing a trend that you simply cannot at this point because you are so emotionally invested.
No one can make that choice for you, but you owe it to yourself to be informed and take in the whole picture before throwing your guard up.
 
Red Devil;2144733; said:
you have a gift for writing very complicated emotional matters and making someone pay attention.. Not an easy issue to define... but great points were made in your explanations..


Tottally agreed:) and coming from someone who considers people as "talking furniture" even more so.:)

And what Spankbelly writes, Dylan, is right.

And, lastly, to express your very valid anguish, you do not need to state that you dislike your mother. She is doing the best she can, and as best as she can. Nobody is perfect, and mothers are far from it, especially when blinded by love and worry.
 
Miguel;2144795; said:
Tottally agreed:) and coming from someone who considers people as "talking furniture" even more so.:)

And what Spankbelly writes, Dylan, is right.

And, lastly, to express your very valid anguish, you do not need to state that you dislike your mother. She is doing the best she can, and as best as she can. Nobody is perfect, and mothers are far from it, especially when blinded by love and worry.

And these are words of wisdom from a loving father... Miguel.. it is a great parent who can feel both sides of parental love even though you are the opposite gender..
 
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