Amazing looking ball python.

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the reason im asking this.. Im not really sure if my snake got the het or not, because when I got him, the owner said the breeder have told her that this is a female snake / het for ghost. When i went to reptile shop and pop it, it turns out to be a male..

im confused and having doubt :o
 
TheBloodyIrish;951151; said:
I can understand Miguel's concern though... especially with all the Ball-Carpet, Carpet-Burmese and Ball-Burmese crosses going on and traded among breeders.

Think of morphs like breeds of dogs. Every dog out there belong to one species, except we isolated those genes to create the breeds we see today. One person theorized that if we didn't have breeds of dogs, they would look like the village dogs found on African and Asian islands.
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The thing is though, you are comparing apples to oranges...ball pythons color and pattern mutations are NOTHING like breeding dog breeds. All ball python mutations are only skin deep - they are reptiles, and more simple in genetic terms, so its not like eventually you'd have a difference in the physical attributes in ball pythons that there are in domesticated dogs.

And yes, I do have some issues with hybrids...something about it just doesn't rub me the right way, other than that I can't really come up with a good argument against them. It just goes against my morals somewhat and that type of thing is purely subjective from person to person.
 
long time no see such an interesting and learned debate...keep up, loads of people following..
 
Fishes33;951237; said:
the reason im asking this.. Im not really sure if my snake got the het or not, because when I got him, the owner said the breeder have told her that this is a female snake / het for ghost. When i went to reptile shop and pop it, it turns out to be a male..

im confused and having doubt :o
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After trying to tell you that there were 75% hets, then mis-sexing a snake, I wouldn't take their advice on ANYTHING. I would also run far, far away from buying a so-called "het" from them. Selling fake hets is the #1 scam in reptile mutations today. Its so easy...aside from years passing before you find out that its fake, you can even just chalk off the failure to bad odds...remember these %'s are not guaranteed...its like flipping a coin.

When buying ANY live animal...if you have the least concern or feel even the slightest bad vibe...RUN! Its worth it to wait to get it from a good source than to jump at a "deal" that sparks your interest on impulse.
 
elevatethis;951295; said:
The thing is though, you are comparing apples to oranges...ball pythons color and pattern mutations are NOTHING like breeding dog breeds. All ball python mutations are only skin deep - they are reptiles, and more simple in genetic terms, so its not like eventually you'd have a difference in the physical attributes in ball pythons that there are in domesticated dogs.
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It is a terrible analogy comparing a recent development to a development that occured over thousands of years of selective-breeding, however I couldn't think of a well-known example, even domestic rabbits and hamsters are made up of various hybrids, in the pet trade.

And yes, I do have some issues with hybrids...something about it just doesn't rub me the right way, other than that I can't really come up with a good argument against them. It just goes against my morals somewhat and that type of thing is purely subjective from person to person.
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It is easy to breed out genetics within a certain species, it is not easy to breed out genetics of hybrids. So I agree with you there -- there is something that threaten me, and probably other collectors and breeders, with the thought that one of those spciemen will be mislabelled and enter the gene pools of the species-specific snakes.
 
this ball python looks realy cool

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look at the eyes

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elevatethis;951300; said:
After trying to tell you that there were 75% hets, then mis-sexing a snake, I wouldn't take their advice on ANYTHING. I would also run far, far away from buying a so-called "het" from them. Selling fake hets is the #1 scam in reptile mutations today. Its so easy...aside from years passing before you find out that its fake, you can even just chalk off the failure to bad odds...remember these %'s are not guaranteed...its like flipping a coin.

When buying ANY live animal...if you have the least concern or feel even the slightest bad vibe...RUN! Its worth it to wait to get it from a good source than to jump at a "deal" that sparks your interest on impulse.
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thank you for your advice / guides ^^;; Id be more careful, when I going to buy a female for him ^^;;

and YES to bloodyirish..^^

and arrowana_man, thats the snake I hope to get one day ^^ Leustric ball python ^^
 
I just want a couple of mojaves, then i can make my own...
although i admit, not with those eyes...
 
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