Another Hunting Thread - How Do You Guys Feel About This?

[SumoNinja]

You can't fairly compare the evolution of weapons to the evolution of animal defenses. The natural evolution of species DOES NOT keep pace with man-made technological advances. At least with early weapons, the animals stood a chance. When you are using a high powered rifle or elephant gun...the animal always loses (unless you don't know how to shoot). What you are saying is akin to "Ok guys, let's go fishing...I got 10 sticks of dynamite...gonna catch us some fish and blow everything out of the water no matter the collateral damage" (which is devastating if you read about it).

I mean if you are saying that the evolution of technology and weapons used in hunting falls under the category of "WHAT'S FAIR IS FAIR"...then shoot (no pun intended), let's get some drones with heat seeking missiles and go hunting...we can lay out some mines as well and maybe even use some chemical warfare to slow them down. It's evolution RIGHT? It's pretty NATURAL, RIGHT?

As far as your seal and shark analogy...these creatures have evolved in true NATURAL form with their weapons and defenses.

A girl flying half way around the world with her rifles, bullets and facebook app...to shoot down some lions, leopards, rhinos and elephants does not seem NATURAL to me.

I would rather promote the type of safari tour where people can travel to remote regions of the world and SHOOT with their CAMERAS and enjoy these majestic creatures while they are still alive, rather than a 3-second photo-op with a carcass. Hunting is not the only source of funds for the conservation of these animals. A no kill safari is not a cheap vacation which CAN and DOES bring in money to better maintain the conservation programs that exist.

On a side note- it is only the endangered species which I mainly take issue with. If she wants to hunt a wildebeest or water buffalo...go for it. I'm sure they would make for great steaks or burgers.

It's the animals that are already being poached for their beautiful hides, tusks and horns that are in need of help. And this help doesn't come at the end of a barrel.

I can see what you're saying in your last 3 paragraphs.

but the first two paragraphs are straw man argument on your part, and exaggerating what I was saying. see post below

Playing devil's advocate:

One might argue that if the theory of evolution holds 100% true, then anything man does is part of his evolution, so there for 100% 'natural'.

this is what i'm saying, how can you say man using guns to hunt is not natural?

I hate when anti-hunting people say things like, "why don't they go hunt a bear with their bare hands and make it a fair fight?"

 

[Warborg]

this is what i'm saying, how can you say man using guns to hunt is not natural?

I hate when anti-hunting people say things like, "why don't they go hunt a bear with their bare hands and make it a fair fight?"

Just like why does a lion hide and stalk it's prey before the attack? To get the advantage.

 

[Bottomfeeder]

Just 'cause it's natural doesnt mean we have to do it. If we can see that it has demonstratable negative effects on the ecosystem, we can take that same status as an evolved, dominant species and use it to be kind to the environment. This is not hippie tree-hugging smoke in mirrors here. It's a fact that our destruction of the environment in various ways has extremely negative effects on the earth. Just because we can do it, doesnt mean we should.

I choose to believe that we have a responsibility to take care of our planet. Not just for the environment's sake, but for the sake of ourselves and generations to come.

 

[pshtex]

If you really want to get picky most of the things being said come from a matter of perspective. Almost every thing you buy or everything you buy comes at the cost of the ecosystem. one way or another. You can get mad at this girl for what she has done be that does not change the fact that it was legal. And in this world you have to learn to deal with certain things you don't agree with.

 

[rwellbaum]

Lol

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[skjl47]

Just 'cause it's natural doesnt mean we have to do it. If we can see that it has demonstratable negative effects on the ecosystem, we can take that same status as an evolved, dominant species and use it to be kind to the environment. This is not hippie tree-hugging smoke in mirrors here. It's a fact that our destruction of the environment in various ways has extremely negative effects on the earth. Just because we can do it, doesnt mean we should.

I choose to believe that we have a responsibility to take care of our planet. Not just for the environment's sake, but for the sake of ourselves and generations to come.

Hello; I share this notion of personal responsibility and have since gaining a level of understanding back in the late 1960's. My take for the last several decades is that basicly there are not not enough like minded people and too many others. I find that a very large number of people do not have an understanding of how ecosystems are intertwined and often do not care to learn.

On top of that are the ones that get a dose of understanding and decide to continue with less than optimal behavior. There have been many but two examples should illustrate. I knew a fellow well enough that he had tolerated my rants about the environment for a few years. While visiting his place one afternoon a couple of decades ago, he was just finishing up with an oil change. He took a container of used oil and proceeded to empty it on a creek bank behind his house with me trying to talk him into taking it to a recycling spot a few of miles away. He listened but did not do it. I later gave him a five gallon bucket with a lid and funnel and told him I would pick up the used oil for recycling. He never let me know and I do not if he recycles oil. This guy has four grand children. I did have one success with another friend however. I got a bucket for his used oil and he would let me know when it was full. I took his used oil and my own to be recycled.

I have a close friend and we have had environmental discussions lasting many hours during long car trips. He is successful and his take is that he worked hard to get where he is and intends to enjoy his wherewithall to the fullest. He is intelligent and has a good grasp on things. He has decided to have multiple vehicles, a large barn of a house and so on. He sometimes spends more in one month heating his place than I do all winter. While I have come to recognize that my cause is largely lost, I have not yet gotten comfortable with an indulgent life style.

I no longer expect to convince/convert people to my way of thinking. I make personal lifestyle choices and rarely now get on my soap box. The best I can do is live in a low impact manner and let the rest do what they will.

Good luck and try to not let it eat at you.

 

[Red Devil]

skjl47 quote~
"I no longer expect to convince/convert people to my way of thinking. I make personal lifestyle choices and rarely now get on my soap box. The best I can do is live in a low impact manner and let the rest do what they will". Very well said........

 

[FMA4ME]

Hello; I share this notion of personal responsibility and have since gaining a level of understanding back in the late 1960's. My take for the last several decades is that basicly there are not not enough like minded people and too many others. I find that a very large number of people do not have an understanding of how ecosystems are intertwined and often do not care to learn.

On top of that are the ones that get a dose of understanding and decide to continue with less than optimal behavior. There have been many but two examples should illustrate. I knew a fellow well enough that he had tolerated my rants about the environment for a few years. While visiting his place one afternoon a couple of decades ago, he was just finishing up with an oil change. He took a container of used oil and proceeded to empty it on a creek bank behind his house with me trying to talk him into taking it to a recycling spot a few of miles away. He listened but did not do it. I later gave him a five gallon bucket with a lid and funnel and told him I would pick up the used oil for recycling. He never let me know and I do not if he recycles oil. This guy has four grand children. I did have one success with another friend however. I got a bucket for his used oil and he would let me know when it was full. I took his used oil and my own to be recycled.

I have a close friend and we have had environmental discussions lasting many hours during long car trips. He is successful and his take is that he worked hard to get where he is and intends to enjoy his wherewithall to the fullest. He is intelligent and has a good grasp on things. He has decided to have multiple vehicles, a large barn of a house and so on. He sometimes spends more in one month heating his place than I do all winter. While I have come to recognize that my cause is largely lost, I have not yet gotten comfortable with an indulgent life style.

I no longer expect to convince/convert people to my way of thinking. I make personal lifestyle choices and rarely now get on my soap box. The best I can do is live in a low impact manner and let the rest do what they will.

Good luck and try to not let it eat at you.

Hi,
pouring oil into a creek?? That would bother me too much to the point I wouldn't want to be around you. I guess I take things too seriously. More than once I've gotten into it with people
who litter, sure I understand someone will probably eventually clean it up, and to some extent I guess their littering isn't my business, but it's the attitude I have trouble getting past. I feel disrespected when people do that around me.

 

[Lepisosteus platyrhincus]

Let's be super clear. Hunting provides MOST of the money for conservation efforts to keep species going. If someone hunts an elephant and pays thousands for the chance that year to do so, then there is a strong motivation to keep elephants around monetarily. In other words, we all know money is the bottom line in the world (sadly) so it is good when it is used that way, instead of in an unregulated way like true poaching. This may sound twister but its not: I'm an animal lover and I'm for it.

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[rmkblades]

Playing devil's advocate:

One might argue that if the theory of evolution holds 100% true, then anything man does is part of his evolution, so there for 100% 'natural'.

Ever had a TWINKIE, lol. Man-made evolution at its finest...but oh so UNNATURAL, lol.