Any "Panama Green" Umbee Still Around?
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this has already been cleared up and is not the same fish that Chris "umbeeking" has so don't expect the same quality of fish Aquatik because you are sure NOT to get it!!!!!!
Yes unfortunately it seems that there will be confusions between the names black umbee and gorillus just as red terror "mayan" and festae.
Cleared up? By who? It may not be the exact same collection locale, but likely the same color variant of the fish. If anything, it a matter of opinion. I wouldn't get hung up on a common name assigned to the fish. The only thing confusing about the "Red Terror" mayan/festae is the common name. Those are two completely different species.
Yeah well, Oliver somehow came up with the name "black umbee" for his find but they aren't even black!! The ones umbeeking has are black. And since the gorillus are black, they will be referred to at times as black umbees. But I could really careless about the debate!!! Umbeekings are the real deal, like it or not!!!!
Well said, Mo.
IMO the only confusion surrounding these fish has been created by those who assigned their own special name for this particular fish.
CAQUETAIA SP. GORILLUS A.K.A THE TRUE BLACK UMBEE
A less confusing, and IMO more sensible approach would have been using Caquetaia umbrifera sp. Black "and the collection location here". If you want to keep the location top secret, then you could still use Caquetaia umbrifera sp. Black "Location X"
Either way, any black morph of this species is going to be listed as such, and none are going to be any more "true" black, than another.
Nor does quality come into play when one is comparing different geographical variants within the same species. It becomes a matter of personal opinion, and personal preference. You may prefer the look of location X fish, the next person may prefer location XYZ.
Listing the collection location would also prevent any potential confusion among present & future domestic breeding that takes place. Unless of course you don't think it's a problem breeding location X black morphs, with location XYZ black morphs. While this may not appear to be a problem now, what if over the next 10-20 yrs 1/2 dozen or more black umbee morphs are "discovered" in different geographical locations?
The Sciaenochromis fryeri is a classic example of just how easily this can take place, even within the same body of water (Lake Malawi), with each geographical variant (14 collection locations in total) having different variations in colors/markings. For anyone attempting to breed a group of these fish to as close as they are found in the wild, the collection location becomes very important. To those that don't care, they can go to their LFS and buy "Electric Blue Haps" that originate from SE Asia.
If I was Chris, and I wanted to put my mark on this particular variant, for posterity sake I would make sure to list the actual collection location for this fish, before someone else eventually does.
IMO the only confusion surrounding these fish has been created by those who assigned their own special name for this particular fish.
CAQUETAIA SP. GORILLUS A.K.A THE TRUE BLACK UMBEE
A less confusing, and IMO more sensible approach would have been using Caquetaia umbrifera sp. Black "and the collection location here". If you want to keep the location top secret, then you could still use Caquetaia umbrifera sp. Black "Location X"
Either way, any black morph of this species is going to be listed as such, and none are going to be any more "true" black, than another.
Nor does quality come into play when one is comparing different geographical variants within the same species. It becomes a matter of personal opinion, and personal preference. You may prefer the look of location X fish, the next person may prefer location XYZ.
Listing the collection location would also prevent any potential confusion among present & future domestic breeding that takes place. Unless of course you don't think it's a problem breeding location X black morphs, with location XYZ black morphs. While this may not appear to be a problem now, what if over the next 10-20 yrs 1/2 dozen or more black umbee morphs are "discovered" in different geographical locations?
The Sciaenochromis fryeri is a classic example of just how easily this can take place, even within the same body of water (Lake Malawi), with each geographical variant (14 collection locations in total) having different variations in colors/markings. For anyone attempting to breed a group of these fish to as close as they are found in the wild, the collection location becomes very important. To those that don't care, they can go to their LFS and buy "Electric Blue Haps" that originate from SE Asia.
If I was Chris, and I wanted to put my mark on this particular variant, for posterity sake I would make sure to list the actual collection location for this fish, before someone else eventually does.
Neil, hopefully I don't come across too abrasive but have you seen olivers atrato's? And have you seem Chris gorillus? There is clearly a difference in coloration. Granted Chris's and olivers umbees may be closer related than the normal blue varient, but olivers aren't black. Look I have nothin against Oliver at all. Im just saying facts are facts, Chris umbees are indeed very dark, almost completely black looking whereas olivers are not, that is all. And these new species will soon have a proper name so no need to worry about properly identifing collection points right now. They are just being referred to as such strictly for identifying purposes for now. I mean to me, all this debate of location names is just premature ejaculation... And I am not gonna be apart of this circle jerk!! When Chris is ready, he will properly name his new find and possibly some of the other location umbees. So untill then, everyone is just wasting their breath over the whole ordeal.
As for when they will be available... This summer coming to a tank near you
As for when they will be available... This summer coming to a tank near you
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