Any "Panama Green" Umbee Still Around?
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Nor me.
I thought that Mo provided a constructive, clear response... and I guess some folks just don't want to buy it.
If UK is serious about understanding what he has, he should contact Sven Kullander (who is probably the world's pre-eminent icthyologist on South American cichlids and - to my knowledge...at least according to CRC's bibliography...has done the most recent scientific work with the Genus.
I'd also like to go back to the OP's topic.
Matt
I thought that Mo provided a constructive, clear response... and I guess some folks just don't want to buy it.
If UK is serious about understanding what he has, he should contact Sven Kullander (who is probably the world's pre-eminent icthyologist on South American cichlids and - to my knowledge...at least according to CRC's bibliography...has done the most recent scientific work with the Genus.
I'd also like to go back to the OP's topic.
Matt
Most likely the fish will not be formally named for forever. There are tons of fish in the hobby that still have not been. I personally would prefer to have the collection location with the fish as it's just good information to keep up with. With that said it's not like these are avialable right now so there's really no reason to disclose it until fry are for sale. Hopefully UK will release that when the fish are avialable. They are neat looking and different.
for one Mo this so called article that Mr. Lucas wrote up happens to be dated after these Black Umbee's Chris had already collected and if you compare the adult specimens from each you can clearly see the difference..... do your homework and I am sure you will see what I thought the eye couldn't miss but incase it can there are two things I mentioned that you can confirm.
What's your point? I never said Oliver was first. I said he collected the fish. What do you mean that I "claim Mr. Lucas wrote"? He wrote it. I sent it to UK. I have NO idea what you mean by the second sentence. UK came to me for help and I did what I could to answer his questions and assist. To the other point...I don't see where I'm hating. I personally could care less if the chicken came before the egg. It's still going to be a chicken. I just laid out the same facts as I had when contacted before. Regardless, I can see the appeal of the fish. My apology if I don't seem to want to guzzle the koolaid being offered.
On green umbee...I haven't seen them in quite a while. The last one I saw was Rusty's lone male at an ACA convention. It was a beast. I believe he killed his mate. That pair was supplying most of that species through Rapps and a few others.
Jgentry...I believe you are correct. The only way they will be identified is by collection locale.
it seems those around the gorillus umbee want to create a superiority to everone else on here who tries to take a constructive, scientific look at identifying new species or a subspecies brought into the hobby which is how its always been done. And honestly mojo has probably more experience on the matter of collecting and scientifically naming fish as the three umbeeteers combined times a couple and taking any shots on him is foolish cause everyone knows hes legit and what he has brought to this hobby and the work he has put in is only matched by very few.
Well I'm not trying to make anything superior to anything else. It's not my fish nor my find. So I have no say as to what is labeled as what. and frankly I could care less about scientific names vs personal names. It just seems as if everyone has a hard on to get the location names for the umbees that Chris collected and saying its for scientific ID... Honestly Chris can do whatever he wants untill the lab work is done. And im sure when that happens they will be named accordingly. And I really dont appreciate your comment about the three umbeeteers!!! It can be fun at times to clown people but it really doesnt do anyone any good in the end. This entire discussion about black umbees vs gorillus vs location x is really tiresome. So again, untill the lab work is done everyone needs a chill pill and let it be.
Personally speaking, I honestly don't care where these fish were collected, or what you or anyone else does with them. I suggest you go back & re-read my previous comments, perhaps in time you will eventually understand that those comments were an attempt to help you & others who obviously can't see the forest for the trees. You use terms like premature ejaculation, and circle jerk, yet are offended when someone refers to you as part of the three umbeeteers? Think about it.
What know it alls would those be? Like Mo you also contacted me in the past asking for assistance in getting these fish properly described, or at the least finding out exactly what you have, and IF they are a new undescribed species. I'm certainly no expert, nor have I ever stated that I was, I offered what I could at the time which admittedly wasn't much.
As Mo has already stated in this discussion, getting a fish officially described is no easy task, and it's going to take a lot more than a DNA swab, if that's what Jason is referring to by "lab work". Geographic variants can vary in their DNA make-up, but at the end of the day they are still the same genus, and species. Either way, no matter how this all plays out in the end it's always great to see something new entering the market.
I wasnt really offended, in fact the sound of the 3 umbeeteers kinda has a nice ring to it
i was reffering to the fact that he sounded like he was taking a personal stab/stereotype. i was metaphorically speaking when i said the premature ejaculation and circle jerk comment. I was simply trying to state the obvious that untill the bugs are worked out with the new find that Chris is reffering to them as the gorillus or whatever. because untill then we are just gonna be beating a dead horse.. LOL Then of course there will be proper naming. anyway, we all understood what you were saying way back in previous threads about clarifying genus, ID's, and geographical varients.this is a discussion kid not an argument, now have a candy and a seat while grown men talk
superiority for a fish we don't have, c'mon man you can do better than that !! personally I like the blues better and above umbee I like my dovii
get you facts straight cause your assumptions won't hold up. While you guys worry about names explain the chosen name for the green variant this thread was intended for ????? sp. panama green a name of the river in which the fish was caught................ ?? anyone ?? lol can't wait to hear the answers of that........ maybe the blacks should be called sp. columbian blacks ehhh ? what a joke- Status
