Anyone Ever Seen This Color Morph Before?

[ShadowP]

Gorgeous already, would be interested in some of the fry to pair with my BGJD.

Any more pics?

Entire thread of 'em...
Forums/Advanced Aquarium Discussions Forums/Cichlids/Central And South American Cichlids/EBJD Pair.

I think you already may know the result...
25% wild type or some sort of "blending" of the nonrecessive gene providers, my Cleopatra gene type set intermingled to your non EB gene type set.
50% heterozygous EB/intermingled non EB gene set looking like the result above (whatever that may be), though these potentially might not display the markers anywhere near as boldly.
25% enhancement of your EBJD bloodline if Pride is stronger/purer EB bloodline, which he quite possibly is (noted due to the early proliferation of the EB markers on all the heterozygous young).

 

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I'm not saying yours is, but I have seen far too high a percentage of what should have been culled, offered for sale at too many LFSs. I would greatly prefer these fry are not bred to inferior (deformed) fish because a greatly inferior bloodline can't easily be made better without generations of (you guessed it!) inbreeding, and that is exactly what leads to all the deformities! I realize I have no control over that. I can only hope and maybe set up a thread for Breeder Programs (by species) whereby a person may post left side/right side/front view/top view pics for the MFK members to give their yay, or nay to the would be breeder. If we do this, we can force corporate to clean up their act and possibly cut them out altogether if "WE"... MFK members become the hands down go-to source for champion/show quality fish 100% of the fish, 100% of the time. We could make a HUGE difference in the hobby without doing much more than we already do!
I sat in front of a LFS tank on an overturned 5gal bucket for nearly an hour as I whittled my selection down to the EBJD I now call Pride. He was chosen for what I considered to be near perfect form for a standard male JD of his age, and equally important, the intensity and uniformity of his EB color and even patterning for a juvenile his age, and again equally important... the way he carried himself and displayed his potential. The payoff was well worth it! That time was invested once and has been repayed every single time I look at him. Joy took slightly longer to find... closer to 2 hours. Cleopatra was an extreme exercise in patience at 8 months of searching, but that was an absolute "she's the one" the second I finally found her.
I had seen many a "good" fish, and many a "great" fish.
a few "excellent" specimens, and next to no "superb" specimens.

None of these have any noticeable deformities, though the genes might still produce some in the offspring.

Here's how I break it down:

A good specimen (competition 7+) is great for the home aquarium but not the best choice for breeding purposes due to too many deformities in the young (10% or greater). Don't know this unfortunately until after they're bred.

A great fish (competition 8+) is a candidate for entry into competitions.
Can easily beat any good fish in competition.
Is good for breeding programs (<5% deformities).
and have some potential to produce excellent progeny.

An excellent specimen (competition 9+)is one that exemplifies the traits of the species/type.
Easily holds its own against most representatives of its species in competition, and some potential for "Best Of Show".
Excellent breeding program choice (<3% deformities).
with 30%+ of young being at least "great" quality and potential to produce superb quality young.

And superb (competition 10+) being absolutely stunning examples of the best their species/type hAs to offer. True jaw droppers.
The hands down go-to for breeding progrms (little if no deformities in young ~ <1%)
40%+ of their young are excellent quality

I rate Pride currently at 9.7 to 9.8 (but he's still maturing). A bit more size may push him over 10 and his dorsal needs to finish healing.
Joy at 9.9 to 10+ (female with male color strength) and still maturing.
Cleopatra at 9.7 to 9.8 and still maturing.

All have paid off beyond my greatest expectations, much to your enjoyment and excited interests also, and I thank you.

 

[ShadowP]

maybe theyre just going to be very vivid jack dempseys then.

Thats exactly what is happening. Here's a pic of a few of them at 10.5 weeks. Blue being washed out from front flash angle, but all that glitter is blue like shown above.

 

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Will do.

Please keep ShadowP in your prayers.

I would like to bring to your attention that my brother , known as ShadowP on this forum had suffered a massive stroke on Aug 20th and is recovering well, but still has quite a ways to go.
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"What is a fair price for juveniles of of this quality ?"
"How much would you pay knowing also that they are Blue Gene Dempseys from Pride's lineage (see also EBJD Pair thread for much more detail)?"

One quote he was given was $25 at 1 inch if he could prove the traits genetic and if he could "hit" these colors every time.

Also, please excuse the condition of the plants, since my brother is single and lives alone the tank was left unattended for quite a few weeks until we learned of his stroke.

Again, please pray fro a speedy recovery. Thank you!

Will do.

 

[ShadowP]

trying to remember some of the upload pitfalls