Not seen them for a few years, then a in feb there were a few dozen available G and Vitts of mixed sizes.....sooooo tempted 2 go mad and buy a few of the biggest , but decided 2 get mid sized a grow em on, the Vitts at 5 inch bash the glass in a 2 foot wide tank not alot but enough, moving house going 2 get a 9x3x3 and grow em on 