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I understand now more where you are coming from and yes indeed I would likely give a good smackdown for aggression like that, luckily I have not had to do that.

That being said. firmness, consistency and appropriate corrections are a part of my training and life with my dogs, but I generally try to use forethought and planning to train them in a positive manner in order to solve problems rather than having to resort to corrections.

case in point, my coonhound/black mouth cur mix had a bad habit or slapping his big paw on my whenever I was on the couch, often times smacking me in the face in the process or scratching my leg.
I tried everything, telling him no, grabbing and holding his paw longer then he liked, removing his paw when he put it on me and nothing worked.
So I got out my clicker and some treats and went to work.

I sat on the couch and ignored him totally when he put his paw on me, didnt look at him or say a word. The second his paw hit the ground I clicked and treated.
Doing this for two night about an hour each time solved the problem in a totally stress free way for both of us and kept it solved with only some short reminder sessions
every couple of months.
 
Using a prong collar to stop him from pulling is not abuse, he corrects himself and it is over, it does not stab into his skin or choke him in anyway. One pull is all it takes to then be able to take a long walk and get the exercise he needs. I don't actively correct with it, he pulls it pinches, and stops pulling and we go along on our way. It is rare he even self corrects anymore because he knows the collar is on. The alternative is another torn rotator cuff and no more walks.
Once again this is a husky, you put a leash or halter on them and they pull with all their might....it is genetic.

Using a shock collar to correct not coming when called when he is out of the yard in order to keep him from getting hit by a car is not abuse. It is no different then using an electric fence to keep him in. How else do you correct a dog who is 10 feet from you and wont let you grab them. I dont want to use the shock collar but by god this is life or death and that outweighs my dislike of doing it.
 
JeninOK;2316256; said:
I understand now more where you are coming from and yes indeed I would likely give a good smackdown for aggression like that, luckily I have not had to do that.

That being said. firmness, consistency and appropriate corrections are a part of my training and life with my dogs, but I generally try to use forethought and planning to train them in a positive manner in order to solve problems rather than having to resort to corrections.

case in point, my coonhound/black mouth cur mix had a bad habit or slapping his big paw on my whenever I was on the couch, often times smacking me in the face in the process or scratching my leg.
I tried everything, telling him no, grabbing and holding his paw longer then he liked, removing his paw when he put it on me and nothing worked.
So I got out my clicker and some treats and went to work.

I sat on the couch and ignored him totally when he put his paw on me, didnt look at him or say a word. The second his paw hit the ground I clicked and treated.
Doing this for two night about an hour each time solved the problem in a totally stress free way for both of us and kept it solved with only some short reminder sessions
every couple of months.
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My dogs don't get smacked on a daily basis if thats what you are getting from my posts... I will raise my voice long before a smack comes... My dogs are well behaved for the most part and like I said and you just said...
"firmness, consistency and appropriate corrections are a part of my training and life with my dogs". Keyword being appropriate. Every action gets a reaction with my dogs. A bit of chewed up newspaper or an accident in the house or minor things like that are not deserving of a smack. Leaving my yard IS in my book. Rarely does it happen when I am home anymore. Only to chase deer... Trying to bite me or showing eachother agression IS in my book. I will not tolerate my dogs fighting with eachother or other dogs.
 
JeninOK;2316276; said:
Using a prong collar to stop him from pulling is not abuse, he corrects himself and it is over, it does not stab into his skin or choke him in anyway. One pull is all it takes to then be able to take a long walk and get the exercise he needs. I don't actively correct with it, he pulls it pinches, and stops pulling and we go along on our way. It is rare he even self corrects anymore because he knows the collar is on. The alternative is another torn rotator cuff and no more walks.
Once again this is a husky, you put a leash or halter on them and they pull with all their might....it is genetic.

Using a shock collar to correct not coming when called when he is out of the yard in order to keep him from getting hit by a car is not abuse. It is no different then using an electric fence to keep him in. How else do you correct a dog who is 10 feet from you and wont let you grab them. I dont want to use the shock collar but by god this is life or death and that outweighs my dislike of doing it.
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I honestly don't have an answer to how you do this... I trained my dogs inside of a fence at my old house. They would get close and I would make them back off untill they figured out they had a distance they had to be at... My sister tried the elec fence and it did no good with a chocolate lab. He would just run right through it...

I also don't use a leash when I walk my dogs. They will stay within 10 feet or so of me and my wife at all times. The only time they get a leash is in the city or when I see a dog comming close...
 
my old roommate has a huskie at his house. when he got about 1yr old he figured he could jump the front fence which was about 3 feet tall. however the back fence was 7ft up and he couldnt altho he tried a few times :) so he started to tunnel under. i completely understand your frustration in chaseing him down but think about bathing him casue he got dirty or possibly muddy while digging. do yourself a favor and get the fence and spare no voltage because his figure he could blast threw it and make it outta range of the shock so he trimmed his lower neck and turned it to max voltage and he tried to brust threw twice. now it only take a small zap if he even dares to escape. most of the time he sits as close as possible and waits for you rather than taking off. altho it did take a little patice for him to understand it was ok to go out with us and not byhimself that took a few tries, and dragging him.
 
beantickler;2316099; said:
This is your MAIN problem right here... Your dog has NO respect for you whatsoever... Don't get me wrong here or go all PITA on me but your "positive reinforcement" wont do spit without some beatings here and there. I have 2 Boxers that are young and full of energy. When they act up they get smacked and they know it's coming. When they are good which is almost all the time now, they get there "positive reinforcement".

My wife cannot handle the dogs because she refuses (like yourself) to smack them or yell at them when they are bad... When I am not home the dogs run away, bark like crazy and torment her! lol... When I am home my dogs are angels.

When we got our first dog(from the pound), she was crazy and had lots of bad habits. I corrected them and we decided to get another because of how well she now behaved... The second dog(from the pound), was the craziest dog I have ever owned. She had food aggression, snapped at my face a few times, bit our other dog, you name it she had it. This dog ate everything in sight including shoes, coats, hats and anything she could fit in her mouth... Guess what... She is another angel now(with me). You need to get your dog to respect you! That is the number 1 goal. Don't get me wrong they still get in trouble but when commanded THEY LISTEN!

I live on a 2 acre lot and they WILL NOT go into the woods or out of my yard for any reason unless I am with them and they are following me out...

If I tell my dogs to "go pee" they will on command... If I tell them to "go pee" 5 seconds after they just did, they will pee again. The last time my dog tried to take a bite at my face I punched her in her face and that never happened again. My dog's show me respect now and we LOVE eachother. You need to show the dog who the leader of the house is. The dog cannot be the ALPHA of the home. You MUST be and they will show you what you want to see...

Please don't think I am some kind of animal abuser or hater for this post. I love my dogs to death and would jump between them and another dog in a fight if need be. I just DEMAND respect from them and I now get it along with unconditional love...
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I have previous experience with huskies, and I know where you're coming from. Huskies are some of the most stubborn, ridiculous, hard-headed dogs in existence. Simply put, you have to be more stubborn than they are. My first and as of now, only dog, was a husky, and let me tell you, I was on occasion as mean as I have ever been. My parents got this dog right before I was born, and from the beginning I loved that dog like a member of my family, but I was still more stubborn that she was. And this dog, even for huskies, was quite possibly, one of the most stubborn dogs around. As a puppy, she stole food from the table, fought with other dogs, etc...
But, from the very beginning, my family was mean as hell whenever she did something wrong, and you can ask anyone who knows my family, we can be pretty darn mean. The main point here is that we were mean to her as a puppy, therefore she learned at a young age, and as she became an adult we had almost no problems. There was one incident were I was about 9, and so was she, and at that age she was still very sly and stubborn, and she didn't fully respect me as much as she did my parents. She ate all of my food off the counter, and I completely flipped out on her, I was yelling louder than I ever had, to the point where even my parents had to intervene and tell me to relax. The dog ran off to our backyard, tail between her legs, and stayed there all night. From that point on, we never had any problems, and she was the best dog a person could ask for. She lived to be 15, and putting her down was one of the hardest things I've ever down.
The bottom line is, you have to beat them at their own game. Be mean, stubborn, whatever, until they learn. If you've ever seen the movie snow dogs, you'll know about the concept of biting them back when they bite back. That may not literally be the way to go, but it is a good idea to follow.
 
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