Anyone Managed to Successfully Preserve Colouration of Mahseers, Tor and Neolissochilus sp like Those from The Wild?

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Hi good people. Just starting a thread to find out if anyone managed any successes in preserving the colours of mahseer fishes in captivity? The objective isn't so much on identifying the species, which is extremely difficult, but more to a care guide to share on how best to maintain the colours and shine of these magnificent, breathtaking fishes similar to those we see from angling magazines/pictures.

Looking at the diversity of Mahseer species, I believe I just had my toenails in, not even my toes yet. I wanted to start mahseer collection, and the more I read about them, the more engrossed I am to their beauty.

There seem to be acute lack of guide on how to bring out the best colours in these fishes. I'll start of with mine. Being new to this species, I'm sure I cannot be doing everything right. If I am that lucky, my time should be better spent in buying lotteries and in casinos (post global lockdown). I started off with a Tor Tambra (Malaysian red Mahseer), with plans for a couple of Tor/Neolissochilus Stracheyi, Tor Putitora (maybe 1 or 2), Neolissochilus Benasi & I'll leave room for some Tor that I find difficult to pronounce myself. I hope this won't be a how big should the tank be discussion, as the objective is more biased for colour preservation. Let's just assume that we can get them in environments that will not stress them to focus on just factors that affect their coloration such as need for sunlight, special food, etc. I was told the Malaysian red mahseer needs decent sunlight. For a start, my tank does get 3-4 hours combined sunlight. And at night, I leave one side of the tank on with tanning light originally meant for an Asian arowana that has since moved to another new tank. Been seeing the current solo Tor Tambra sleeping mostly at the lit side and at times at the unlit part of the tank at random without any detectable pattern. At day, it shows a splendid golden shine while at night, deep wine red. I'm not sure what's ideal, but looks good enough to me ?
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I haven't tried any plants as food and maybe I should start to experiment with plants especially wild figs, a fruit they are known to eat in the wild. In angling pictures, a nice specimen may look like this 12312_120428414642770_100000268361304_213422_2966432_n-1.jpg

In my quest to get a beautiful looking Thai blue mahseer (Neolissochilus Stracheyi), I have been observing angling videos. It's not a firm note, but it does seem to happen frequent enough to merit a pattern where in the wild, they appear golden when it is fished from rivers that is open with little canopy cover and light substrate. Where it appears darker when fished from rivers with darker substrate and/or well shaded with canopy above the river. Sellers also mentioned that a community tank of Tor Tambra and Stracheyi may not be ideal as the Tambra will need more light and not too dark substrate, while the Stracheyi will look better with much less sunlight and darker background and substrate, which is the reason I chose Stracheyi to be the star of my collection to be since the background is mostly black, ideal for Stracheyi.
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I am not sure if it's just me, or I too see a similar pattern in Tor Putitora as in a clearer river does have a more metallic golden mahseer to be fished out from and a more murky one an angler may find one that looks like a bar of gold at the other end of the line. Which would seem perfectly normal for fishes to ambush prey or probably to avoid predation.

I would love to hear any stories where the keeper manages to maintain their magnificent colouration in captivity and the way they do it....
 
Hi good people. Just starting a thread to find out if anyone managed any successes in preserving the colours of mahseer fishes in captivity? The objective isn't so much on identifying the species, which is extremely difficult, but more to a care guide to share on how best to maintain the colours and shine of these magnificent, breathtaking fishes similar to those we see from angling magazines/pictures.

Looking at the diversity of Mahseer species, I believe I just had my toenails in, not even my toes yet. I wanted to start mahseer collection, and the more I read about them, the more engrossed I am to their beauty.

There seem to be acute lack of guide on how to bring out the best colours in these fishes. I'll start of with mine. Being new to this species, I'm sure I cannot be doing everything right. If I am that lucky, my time should be better spent in buying lotteries and in casinos (post global lockdown). I started off with a Tor Tambra (Malaysian red Mahseer), with plans for a couple of Tor/Neolissochilus Stracheyi, Tor Putitora (maybe 1 or 2), Neolissochilus Benasi & I'll leave room for some Tor that I find difficult to pronounce myself. I hope this won't be a how big should the tank be discussion, as the objective is more biased for colour preservation. Let's just assume that we can get them in environments that will not stress them to focus on just factors that affect their coloration such as need for sunlight, special food, etc. I was told the Malaysian red mahseer needs decent sunlight. For a start, my tank does get 3-4 hours combined sunlight. And at night, I leave one side of the tank on with tanning light originally meant for an Asian arowana that has since moved to another new tank. Been seeing the current solo Tor Tambra sleeping mostly at the lit side and at times at the unlit part of the tank at random without any detectable pattern. At day, it shows a splendid golden shine while at night, deep wine red. I'm not sure what's ideal, but looks good enough to me ?
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I haven't tried any plants as food and maybe I should start to experiment with plants especially wild figs, a fruit they are known to eat in the wild. In angling pictures, a nice specimen may look like this View attachment 1416132

In my quest to get a beautiful looking Thai blue mahseer (Neolissochilus Stracheyi), I have been observing angling videos. It's not a firm note, but it does seem to happen frequent enough to merit a pattern where in the wild, they appear golden when it is fished from rivers that is open with little canopy cover and light substrate. Where it appears darker when fished from rivers with darker substrate and/or well shaded with canopy above the river. Sellers also mentioned that a community tank of Tor Tambra and Stracheyi may not be ideal as the Tambra will need more light and not too dark substrate, while the Stracheyi will look better with much less sunlight and darker background and substrate, which is the reason I chose Stracheyi to be the star of my collection to be since the background is mostly black, ideal for Stracheyi.
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I am not sure if it's just me, or I too see a similar pattern in Tor Putitora as in a clearer river does have a more metallic golden mahseer to be fished out from and a more murky one an angler may find one that looks like a bar of gold at the other end of the line. Which would seem perfectly normal for fishes to ambush prey or probably to avoid predation.

I would love to hear any stories where the keeper manages to maintain their magnificent colouration in captivity and the way they do it....
Well said you didnt post it i was only question is where are you getting your mahseer because i wanna find a good quality breeder or exporter on these fish that specialize in like rare carps and mahseer??? Also Sorry of being no Help
 
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question is where are you getting your mahseer because i wanna find a good quality breeder or exporter on these fish that specialize in like rare carps and mahseer???
Hi, I am sorry I cannot help you there because I live in South East Asia. But seeing that you're living in Florida, I was told there is a vendor by the name Wesley Wong who's a pioneer and has a good variety of mahseer.

Since I'm at the other side of the world, I am not in a position to recommend, but if I'm you, I would make Wesley's place a must see before I decide on a purchase since it came highly recommended. Perhaps fugupuff fugupuff can help you with your enquiry.
 
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Nice looking fish, I think sunlight can definitely have a big impact on fish colour. There are so many things that affect colour (when it is variable in a species) that it is difficult to pin down. Water clarity, tannins, diet etc could all be factors.

Well said you didnt post it i was only question is where are you getting your mahseer because i wanna find a good quality breeder or exporter on these fish that specialize in like rare carps and mahseer??? Also Sorry of being no Help
OP is from South East Asia where these fish are native, you can check locations under their profile info. Wes is also known as fugupuff fugupuff on MFK
 
Nice looking fish, I think sunlight can definitely have a big impact on fish colour. There are so many things that affect colour (when it is variable in a species) that it is difficult to pin down. Water clarity, tannins, diet etc could all be factors.


OP is from South East Asia where these fish are native, you can check locations under their profile info. Wes is also known as fugupuff fugupuff on MFK
Thank you. Yup, I would think sunlight will play a role in diurnal fishes, just a matter to what degree. There are some red mahseers with blue fins that are fished out, but that seems to be a rare sight.

This is another mahseer angling picture, I believe is from Thailand. A fish I can definitely look at all day just like when I was 5 years old. But still can't find a guide on how to maintain such amazing colours
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Hi, I am sorry I cannot help you there because I live in South East Asia. But seeing that you're living in Florida, I was told there is a vendor by the name Wesley Wong who's a pioneer and has a good variety of mahseer.

Since I'm at the other side of the world, I am not in a position to recommend, but if I'm you, I would make Wesley's place a must see before I decide on a purchase since it came highly recommended. Perhaps fugupuff fugupuff can help you with your enquiry.
Thx ill check fugupuff fugupuff about the mahseers
 
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You're most welcome. Let us know if you learn new tricks to preserve to colours, my friend ?
Will do but i remember reading an older post a few days back with saying that they get more color/keep their color with fruits they eat that fall in the river just to say this isnt my info im just passing it along because maybe its right
 
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older post a few days back with saying that they get more color/keep their color with fruits they eat that fall in the river
It's definitely something that cannot be ruled out, and in fact, must have played a key part. I have previously tried Canadian figs, etc. The mahseer won't take it. I would think it's due to the fact that they are schooling fishes, so a solitary mahseer may not have such appetite. More is supposed to be on the way, but the social distancing laws are causing some delays.

Once I have a nice family of at least 4 pieces and above, I'd definitely try that again. And I'll report on any finding.

I have read that there are people in Singapore and Malaysia who tried fruits of the palm oil plant, but it turned out bad for their filters and I doubt there was long enough feeding to see any results.
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Btw, those palm fruits are seriously tough. Sort of gives you an idea how powerful their teeth (which is located at their throat) can be.
 
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