good point ikevi, since I only have a two peacock pairs, and both are in different tanks, I could not give my own experience, but from most of my research on peacocks. Many people that your stand that breed.
anyone with copadichromis trewavasae likomo experience?
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thanks for the advice ikevi, appreciate it. Currently I would be only interested in breeding the lwandas and the kandeense when and if I do get them. They for sure would be separated. But the lemon jakes and the likomo's I'll throw together.
mike dunagan;1417925; said:
This link you provide states that you can put PAIRS of each of the 4 groups of peacocks together, not that you can't.
I can see that if the species were very similiar (for example two species from the stuartgranti group) the females could potentially find another male interesting, but generally, they should stick with their same species. It's all in their genetic make-up. I understand that females are similar looking across all peacocks, but that doesn't mean that they all basically choose the best looking male out of a bunch of different species, otherwise, we would only end up with one common species in lake Malawi.
Right, I gave a link that gave you the information you were looking for. There are many other links that I could give you that says best not to mix. Also remember that many different types of peacocks come from different areas of the lake. So like other species separation over time is what cause the different types of AC in the lake. Often fish can hybridize if given the chance. If there is a female present and it is able it will breed. If it is close enough it will work. Most peacocks can and will interbreed.
I was agreeing that it may happen and to be sure to sell I would not do it, but if you wanted some information I had a link for. I am sorry if you misunderstood me.
Also if you are not watching them breed 24/7 how can you be sure. Ikevi statements about being a breeder and have good quality stock is correct.
Also the comment on one fish is incorrect natural selection and time has created the different types of fish. They start as most likely one type of fish stuck in the lakes after the sea was shut off from the rest of the ocean.
I was agreeing that it may happen and to be sure to sell I would not do it, but if you wanted some information I had a link for. I am sorry if you misunderstood me.
Also if you are not watching them breed 24/7 how can you be sure. Ikevi statements about being a breeder and have good quality stock is correct.
Also the comment on one fish is incorrect natural selection and time has created the different types of fish. They start as most likely one type of fish stuck in the lakes after the sea was shut off from the rest of the ocean.
The arguments against mixing have been well stated. My advice is the following. If you can easily tell the female fish from the other female fish go ahead and mix them... if not well heck if you can't how can you be sure the male will be able to??? Even if they do for some odd reason want to only keep with there species. (Which of course they don't...)
Do what you are going to do, I think I will leave this topic a lone now. Note this is one of the largest reasons why many good breeders don't touch peacocks. Though it is compounded by the fact that with growing peacocks you usually can't mix species in tanks because you can't even tell them (especially the females) apart.
Do what you are going to do, I think I will leave this topic a lone now. Note this is one of the largest reasons why many good breeders don't touch peacocks. Though it is compounded by the fact that with growing peacocks you usually can't mix species in tanks because you can't even tell them (especially the females) apart.
mike dunagan;1420024; said:
I said that your comment was wrong in that all female peacocks look the same, and that they will look for the best male of any species, be it their own or another. This makes no sense at all and all peacocks will interbreed in the lake. Natural selection has favoured different traits (feeding technique, swimming column, etc.) The fish are genetically tuned to breed with their own species. This is what drives species to separate and evolve differently. We all know that the lake eventually started with one or few species and they evolved into so many different ones.
Think about it this way, you're a human, are you going to go mate with a species of chimpanzee? (our genes are over 90% related).
Anyways... sorry for getting everyone all rowdy... If you look at my first post, my original plan was to put the copadichromis and the peacock together, and somehow it got to putting two species of peacocks together. I would never put two species of peacock together, even though in the link it states that if must, you should make sure they're in the separate groups. I know the consequence and the risks.
I'll leave this to rest.
You are incorrect. What about variation of humans in different regions. This is similar to peacocks. Skin color and other characteristics.
Perhaps the computer format is losing the translation we are both trying to get across.
Perhaps the computer format is losing the translation we are both trying to get across.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be a jerk... and if we were in person, you would agree.. i'm a pretty nice guy haha.
BTW, all humans are one species. The genome is the same. But the aulonocara genus carries many DIFFERENT species.
What I don't understand is that in the lake, there are locales where several types of peacock will co-exist. If interbreeding occurs, then the species will eventually hybridize and over time, in that location, you will only get one species. This is going against speciation and doesn't explain what we see in the lakes.
BTW, all humans are one species. The genome is the same. But the aulonocara genus carries many DIFFERENT species.
What I don't understand is that in the lake, there are locales where several types of peacock will co-exist. If interbreeding occurs, then the species will eventually hybridize and over time, in that location, you will only get one species. This is going against speciation and doesn't explain what we see in the lakes.
understandable, I think that the females are more attracted to the color of their own type, but in the aquarium we screw with so much of what these conditions that created these fish that I am sure it has to affect them...
So I can see your thinking... But I think you have some things messed up.
1.) Humans are not the same genus as say chimps. IE we are of the Homo (genus) and Humans are the only non-extinct species in our genus. But we in theory could have matted with the other in our genus and had young. Chimps are of the Pan genus...
2.) A genus if you didn't know is basically saying all the fish came from the same original species as was mentioned.
3.) All Peacock are of the same genus Aulonocara... They can mate with there own species but also every other species in the same genus.
4.) While some species may be "close" to each other, they really aren't... I mean there are usually miles apart and if not then they occupy different levels in the water.
5.) Also you can see in many different types of fish separated by distance how they slowly take the traits of each species. There usually is never a very good cut line on where one fish is one species while if you cross some latitude and longitude it is another.
To see this the best study river fish, since it is much easier to see how the fish can reach each other.
So again... All peacocks= same genus = can breed together. The best example (not fish) would be the Canis genus... aka dogs...
1.) Humans are not the same genus as say chimps. IE we are of the Homo (genus) and Humans are the only non-extinct species in our genus. But we in theory could have matted with the other in our genus and had young. Chimps are of the Pan genus...
2.) A genus if you didn't know is basically saying all the fish came from the same original species as was mentioned.
3.) All Peacock are of the same genus Aulonocara... They can mate with there own species but also every other species in the same genus.
4.) While some species may be "close" to each other, they really aren't... I mean there are usually miles apart and if not then they occupy different levels in the water.
5.) Also you can see in many different types of fish separated by distance how they slowly take the traits of each species. There usually is never a very good cut line on where one fish is one species while if you cross some latitude and longitude it is another.
To see this the best study river fish, since it is much easier to see how the fish can reach each other.
So again... All peacocks= same genus = can breed together. The best example (not fish) would be the Canis genus... aka dogs...
