I think that Apple should open them. If you have nothing to hide you should have nothing to fear right?
Apple vs The FBI
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I like how some people are saying that there is nothing on the phone that would be useful to the FBI at this point.Well,I have to wonder how would these folks know that and who are they to decide what's important to the authorities investigation?
The FBI wants a backdoor key to Apple OIS. Not just access to one phone. It's framed as this specific issue and phone but they want the key to the entire platform. The same way it was revealed they have backdoor keys to Seagate, western digital, and other company's data storage in the Snowden leaks. This way if they ever need access to a device on these platforms they can go to a FISA court and obtain authority without it being public knowledge. Basically a secret court thanks to the patriot act that helps them keep investigations private. If terror cells suspect they are being monitored, they will switch up their communication. They do it randomly as a precaution. This speeds up and hides the investigative process to help authorities get the bad guys.
No, they aren't. The coding isn't as tight as the Apple iOS. It's certainly not as bad as Windows, but not on the same level as Apple. As mentioned above, the government has been wanting to get a hold of Apple for a while now.
Public safety doesn't out weigh personal or even corporation rights imo. I do not believe this 1 particular case warrants the FBI to get a master key to Apple iOS. Let me know if you think otherwise. Thanks-
If you have nothing to hide you should have nothing to fear right?
Hello; Not to my way of looking at things. For example I may have things that are very private, yet not illegal. I value my privacy. Another is the ideal that we have rights to help protect us from a tyrannical government. My take is that the founding fathers were very keen on this issue as they had gone to great trouble to get from under the British government (King).
Some of our rights have already been affected in the name of public safety.
personally I do not care, it does seem to me the FBI can turn over the phone and let apple open it without giving out any code to the guv, From what I am understanding FBI will not do that. so, make the key, I dowt the FBI going to come to my door and say hey, we want to look into your phone turn it over, and the self erase option still there. long as i aint breaken the law, I really not care what they want to see, to do there job , serve the warrant proving probable cause and its all yours. same for my pc, tablet, my guns. my CCP license.
Then only way to really protect your rights in a empowered citizen rights government is to assist government in performing the duty we have empowered them to do. if we as citizens are that scarred to not assist the folks we empower to perform the task of protecting us. Do the job we entrusted them and pay them for. Then it most certainly going to get allot worse before it gets better.
Me? they can do what they need to do, to get the job done that I pay them to do and expect them to do. No one would want me doing it myself.
Then only way to really protect your rights in a empowered citizen rights government is to assist government in performing the duty we have empowered them to do. if we as citizens are that scarred to not assist the folks we empower to perform the task of protecting us. Do the job we entrusted them and pay them for. Then it most certainly going to get allot worse before it gets better.
Me? they can do what they need to do, to get the job done that I pay them to do and expect them to do. No one would want me doing it myself.
I completely support my own and others rights to privacy from the prying eyes of the government. Some might say "I am doing nothing wrong, therefore have nothing to hide". The problem I have with that line of thought (and I myself used to think that way too) is that I wonder what would happen if someday my legal activities become illegal?
I however also believe that through due process and the legal collection of a warrant, the authorities have the right to perform searches (within the legal limits).
In this particular case, I do NOT feel that Apple should turn over their "key" but with the proper warrants, they should turn over the DATA from THAT PARTICULAR phone.
I wonder how different this case really is than the authorities needing evidence they believe can be found in a safety deposit of a bank. They would have to obtain the warrant and then the bank management would have to provide them access to just that one box. Apple could open the phone with the FBI in the room, or they could download the data and provide it to them. The bank wouldn't just give them a key they could take with them. Or allow them to go opening every box in the vault. It would be a controlled 1 time event.
I am sure I am missing a key peice to the puzzle somewhere but from what I know so far, it seems pretty cut and dry. If I am missing something, someone please fill me in!!
I however also believe that through due process and the legal collection of a warrant, the authorities have the right to perform searches (within the legal limits).
In this particular case, I do NOT feel that Apple should turn over their "key" but with the proper warrants, they should turn over the DATA from THAT PARTICULAR phone.
I wonder how different this case really is than the authorities needing evidence they believe can be found in a safety deposit of a bank. They would have to obtain the warrant and then the bank management would have to provide them access to just that one box. Apple could open the phone with the FBI in the room, or they could download the data and provide it to them. The bank wouldn't just give them a key they could take with them. Or allow them to go opening every box in the vault. It would be a controlled 1 time event.
I am sure I am missing a key peice to the puzzle somewhere but from what I know so far, it seems pretty cut and dry. If I am missing something, someone please fill me in!!
the point I guess I did not bring up, this in no way involves state or local law, I am in know way shape or form advocating giving up your rights be cause local law enforcement says so, you will not search me, you not detain me,. and most certainly not remove my right to protect myself., this a fed issue involving terrorist actions with terrorist connections, just a whole different animal.
