yeah this is an interesting topic. im glad you posted about the leichadti cross silver. given the extra info about them coming in as silvers then its probably true and not just talk and it sounds like an easier cross too.
we could look at this both ways, we arent allowed to do crosses without specific permision and certainly not with arows as we arent allowed them here. i doubt we would be allowed to do a jar/lei anyways but thats this countries rules. other places might not care..or people might go around the rules for demand of curiosity or to have something rare and new. it seems funny being ornamental that crossing rules are even in place. think how many common things are bred to produce variants.
then if you think about other hobbies like dogs for example they dont just have dingos or wolves.. we are allowed to breed all types and new breeds and people like to choose which pet they want. same goes with heaps of things, cats, birds, rabbits... man is in there with everything.
its only if it gets to the point that no one keeps the original strains anymore or if the fish are let go into the wild to interbreed that it can alter things for the future so to speak. i dont see these crosses being allowed to be let go into the wild nor stocked for any purpose. more like that people will keep them until they die and not even breed them. if one day restocking goes on it will be from real true stock parents from those rivers. even then you can worry about a genetic bottleneck unless you source from other farms.. even then man has altered the river pop. but it may need something anything..
look at the plant world too. you have seed banks holding original genetic and man does everything he likes in selective breeding different areas genetics to imporve certain traits. sometimes for food and sometimes just to look at or for behaviours. im not saying its good to mess with nature. im saying that man does it all the time and when it comes to fish we seem to be then doing something bad.
like i dont know where the line gets drawn and by whom when it comes to rules.
like hows your doberman going mate...and that plant you have in the front yard thats not native to this area...wouldnt we all be hypocrits if we were to now say arowana in our tanks must stay like those in the rivers.. for some that like that and inclined that way then they can acheive that.
its ok for goldfish and koi. they arent true to original form anymore. maybe it becomes more of a hard debate when you have a species thats endangered but really all i see happening is that people are owning fish which helps reduce the demand for poached stuff. be it pure or crossed. is it each to their own or what are the laws specific to arow breeding??????
who even knows what the laws are on this in malaysia etc?
your breeding fish for a home market not for restocking. some farms breed true others cross colours/strains. it may be looked down upon by some farms and they choose to breed true. while the other farm my cross all they like to give themselves a point of difference in the market place. when you have tagging you can know when your doing a purebred line in any future. i imagine that certs are supposed to display parentage but i dont know if they keep good track on this info yet either.
if you have fish 20 years old breeding then your still very close to having the fish that would still be in the river when you do breed them. going back twenty years if you manage to rear fish for four years prior to breeding age then youve only got five generations that was man bred and its not like a koi where you get a hundred thousand young and man selects and selects..
you only get 25 odd and keep as many as you can. there would be fish coming from farms now that quiet possibly wouldve been born in the wild had they not taken the parents for breeding stock or you could be really pedantic and say that none of those fish on a farm should be released into the wild even.
i guess i mainly wonder where the law stands and what is happeneing around the place.
we could look at this both ways, we arent allowed to do crosses without specific permision and certainly not with arows as we arent allowed them here. i doubt we would be allowed to do a jar/lei anyways but thats this countries rules. other places might not care..or people might go around the rules for demand of curiosity or to have something rare and new. it seems funny being ornamental that crossing rules are even in place. think how many common things are bred to produce variants.
then if you think about other hobbies like dogs for example they dont just have dingos or wolves.. we are allowed to breed all types and new breeds and people like to choose which pet they want. same goes with heaps of things, cats, birds, rabbits... man is in there with everything.
its only if it gets to the point that no one keeps the original strains anymore or if the fish are let go into the wild to interbreed that it can alter things for the future so to speak. i dont see these crosses being allowed to be let go into the wild nor stocked for any purpose. more like that people will keep them until they die and not even breed them. if one day restocking goes on it will be from real true stock parents from those rivers. even then you can worry about a genetic bottleneck unless you source from other farms.. even then man has altered the river pop. but it may need something anything..
look at the plant world too. you have seed banks holding original genetic and man does everything he likes in selective breeding different areas genetics to imporve certain traits. sometimes for food and sometimes just to look at or for behaviours. im not saying its good to mess with nature. im saying that man does it all the time and when it comes to fish we seem to be then doing something bad.
like i dont know where the line gets drawn and by whom when it comes to rules.
like hows your doberman going mate...and that plant you have in the front yard thats not native to this area...wouldnt we all be hypocrits if we were to now say arowana in our tanks must stay like those in the rivers.. for some that like that and inclined that way then they can acheive that.
its ok for goldfish and koi. they arent true to original form anymore. maybe it becomes more of a hard debate when you have a species thats endangered but really all i see happening is that people are owning fish which helps reduce the demand for poached stuff. be it pure or crossed. is it each to their own or what are the laws specific to arow breeding??????
who even knows what the laws are on this in malaysia etc?
your breeding fish for a home market not for restocking. some farms breed true others cross colours/strains. it may be looked down upon by some farms and they choose to breed true. while the other farm my cross all they like to give themselves a point of difference in the market place. when you have tagging you can know when your doing a purebred line in any future. i imagine that certs are supposed to display parentage but i dont know if they keep good track on this info yet either.
if you have fish 20 years old breeding then your still very close to having the fish that would still be in the river when you do breed them. going back twenty years if you manage to rear fish for four years prior to breeding age then youve only got five generations that was man bred and its not like a koi where you get a hundred thousand young and man selects and selects..
you only get 25 odd and keep as many as you can. there would be fish coming from farms now that quiet possibly wouldve been born in the wild had they not taken the parents for breeding stock or you could be really pedantic and say that none of those fish on a farm should be released into the wild even.
i guess i mainly wonder where the law stands and what is happeneing around the place.
