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HULON;4926750; said:
Love the color of tha marble hayn...
Haha...The two motoro's are just your run of the mill motoro's bro. I like the classic motoro's for some reason.

gangster;4926760; said:
Im really diggn that flower..nice chunky ornate as well.
Thanks, The flower is getting bigger. He is eat a ton of food now. Took us three weeks, but he's eating everything. I'm surprised that the Ornate is that will behaved with the rays. Really nice and seems like she doesn't mine them one bit. I might move her anyways.

Proximus;4927338; said:
Captive rays usually dont need the substrate/driftwood for hiding, couse in most situations they are keept in a non-threatening environment anyway. So that need is eliminatet, more or less. But hiding is of course not the only aspect. - Captivity in it self does not eliminate their need for mental stimulation/exercise for the brain.:) And i dont belive captive breed rays lose all of their instincts and needs - just becouse they are captive breed.

Fishes can get bored too - when represented to monotonous and artifical environments. Thats a fact, and i strongly belive that conditions like that is no good for them long term. Stingrays possess cognitive abilities (http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/content.php?sid=2649). They are problem solvers, and does not belong in a tank without anything to shift -or through around.

I am not trying to start a big argue btw! I just hope i can make you rethink how you keep them... :) i really think all those beautiful fishes deserve better!

No arguments here bro. I understand that rays are very intelligent creatures and do need stimulation of their minds. But, I find it much more convenient and easier to convert to different foods and maintain a clean tank while keeping it bare bottom. Sand will come later, if not sooner. I got every ray eating just the way I like it. Killing pellets, worms, shrimp, silver sides, talapia and occasionally salmon. I think I would have never been able to do this with sand or gravel in the tank, Because, their natural instinct would to borrow it's self in to the sand if stressed and/or endangered. I wouldn't want to force the ray out to eat nor will I leave food in the tank for the ray to find it. To me, its just easier to keep it bare bottom so I can see them eat and not have them scared of heavy traffic areas of the house, so they don't run and hide.

johno27;4927425; said:
I partially agree, But would also say that with that many rays a large portion of their time will be spent interacting with each other. I think It may be a bad idea to keep a single ray in a bare bottom tank all alone to go stir crazy but with multiple rays I am sure they keep each other busy :)

Very nice rays
Thanks.
I agree, one ray in a bare bottom tank will make for a boring ray. At lease with one ray and sand, it would make the ray feel more secured. I think.
 
That flower is definitely competing for best looks in that tank. I hope is does not get mean on you because it has some very strong coloring for it's size and would be a shame to separate it down the road. I can really tell that the older jag is getting bigger than the younger one. They were close to the same size when you got them. Are you home yet to enjoy them?
 
30 more days bro. I'll be slitting the group up soon (when I get back) three per tank. They should have enough room for a while. Yeah, the older of the two jags is a pig, just as big or bigger then the motoro's. I'll get a accurate guesstamation when I get back.
 
Just one.

The oldest of the two Jags is catching up to my flower. The flower is about 10'' and the older jag is about 8'' or so.

sorry for the blurry picture.

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