Asian arowana interest poll
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IMO, if the US opens its market to Asian arowana, say byebye to current prices and Hello to SKY HIGH prices 
blazin_dragon18;1177216; said:
You have to expect that prices if they were to get here would be higher than in other markets since we have more hurdles to jump over, more fee's, etc.
The price will jump as Street Cypher said probably but if they were to eventually allow CB in the u.s. then eventually prices would come down.
That said if it were to happen count me in for at least a RTG if not better..
street cypher;1177259; said:IMO, if the US opens its market to Asian arowana, say byebye to current prices and Hello to SKY HIGH prices
Ya gotta agree here, laws of supply and demand. Opened US market would cause one heck of a demand. With a demand such as this I'm sure there would be much more black market activity, probably adding to the collection of wild speciemens. This would lead to the extinction of the wild asian aro.
Like I said, those were just WAGs based on "current" Canadian prices. This would work the same way that it works in Canada for the most part, so that's my model for now.
The prices may (most likely will) be higher. When they started importing in Canada, the greens were $1250.
Don't know how many follow this stuff, but the prices in Asia have been dropping A LOT lately. There are more farms producing, and less interest in them.
I really didn't want to turn this into a debate about prices. They will vary by hundreds of dollars from reality. IMO, if you're serious about them and really want the fish, paying a few hundred over the prices I listed shouldn't be a problem.
As for the risk of causing wild harvesting by allowing US imports. They will still need to be chipped and declared when entering the country. If a shipment comes in without a CITES permit, an ESA permit and microchips in the fish, you're still going to get nailed for illegally importing an endangered species.
The prices may (most likely will) be higher. When they started importing in Canada, the greens were $1250.
Don't know how many follow this stuff, but the prices in Asia have been dropping A LOT lately. There are more farms producing, and less interest in them.
I really didn't want to turn this into a debate about prices. They will vary by hundreds of dollars from reality. IMO, if you're serious about them and really want the fish, paying a few hundred over the prices I listed shouldn't be a problem.
As for the risk of causing wild harvesting by allowing US imports. They will still need to be chipped and declared when entering the country. If a shipment comes in without a CITES permit, an ESA permit and microchips in the fish, you're still going to get nailed for illegally importing an endangered species.
we're trying to come up with some rough numbers on demand actually, so if any of you have any insight on how you know what the demand would be, I'd love it if you shared that knowledge.
For example, roughly how many fish are imported to Canada annually? What is "a lot"? Remember, the farms are nearly at half a million in production annually, and as I said, the prices keep falling in Asia because of this. There are more fish on the market than there are buyers at present, so unless the US would consume over 10,000 per year in the first year (I highly doubt) I don't see how it would strain supplies.
Theres also a good bit of paperwork to go through to get the proper permits, so it's not like buying a goldfish.
For example, roughly how many fish are imported to Canada annually? What is "a lot"? Remember, the farms are nearly at half a million in production annually, and as I said, the prices keep falling in Asia because of this. There are more fish on the market than there are buyers at present, so unless the US would consume over 10,000 per year in the first year (I highly doubt) I don't see how it would strain supplies.
Theres also a good bit of paperwork to go through to get the proper permits, so it's not like buying a goldfish.
yes, there will be a slight increase but i would guess at this point only lower double digits.
while the US has its share of fish fanatics, it will never eclipse the demand from the asian market esp. with them japanese folks. however if we can get another (3)x LIs we'll catch up in no time
while the US has its share of fish fanatics, it will never eclipse the demand from the asian market esp. with them japanese folks. however if we can get another (3)x LIs we'll catch up in no time
For the record
Currently the number of Asian arowana imported into Canada fluctuates, but is around a few hundred per year.
Currently the number of Asian arowana imported into Canada fluctuates, but is around a few hundred per year.
wizzin;1177111; said:
thats almost the prices people pay here for asian aros... of course being that it is illegal.
going rate at certain places you can get them already.. i dont know all the prices... but a really good idea.
green - 300
rtg - 800
chili red - 2500 +/- (being the highest, but ive heard cheaper)
xback - 3500 +/- (could be higher depending on which one)
i would think it would be somewhat cheaper if they made it legal in the US. since prices on asian aros are marked up like crazy. a coworker of mine went to vietnam and said green aros are $50 all day long over there. im pretty sure its not coming from a very well respected farm, maybe no chip, and maybe no cert. but its a green aro... not like jars and silvers here have any of those. rtg was like $200 +/- didnt ask about the other aros, but the mark up on asian aros are way too much. check out arofanatics.com and you can compare what those guys are paying for their aros and the prices here.
note that they actually get it from a farm with a good reputation, real authentic cert. and chip... pretty much the prices they are paying for is for the name of the farm... unlike here you dont know anything about the asian aro you will be getting... like comparing a mercedes to a hyundai.
street cypher;1177362; said:
That's what I thought. The best guess I've heard
was around 1500 - 1700 per year (guess for the US). I'm guessing that would be after channels for distribution are established etc. Doesn't sound too devastating to a 500,000 p/y production rate.