Interesting, I’ve heard they irradiate the parrotfish eggs to make the males sterile. Not sure if that’s true but if it is, wonder if that would cause a higher incidence of cancer
At last, I know what happened.
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To put a cap on things, here's the card...perfect touch. Impressive, and the fact they picked the right image. The fish is looking backwards with a pinched lip. I'm not an especially touchy feely person but this gave me a moment. They sent this on June 1st. I was really surprised for sure. What I like most is that the staff has no "mammal bias".
Sorry if my attitude seems crass, or insensitive, buy I spent most of my life working in science as a microbiologist, so I look at these issues perhaps, a bit differently than as a pet owner.
Depending if, or what you believe. BPs are either line bred mutant severums, mutant midevils, or a combination of both, or simple hybrids of ????????
They are not a species.
Needless to say, the extreme versions have severely mutated mouths, spines, and mutated bodies, the insides, and organs, of which have been crammed twisted this way and that.
Just as balloon goldfish are known to have had chronic digestive, buency and other health problems, for millennia, it's no surprise "creating a cichlid", considering "only" its outer appearance, and not the ramifications of what is done to the insides would be frought with the same issues.
Not casting personal aspersions, about what can or should be liked or not, but it should not be surprising that cancers, genetic diseases and other maladies would be the result of such man made manipulation and mutation driven endeavors considering only "cuteness".
Nature and evolution tend to weed out the weak and disease prone with the survival of the fittest.
Only in an artificial environment of an aquarium would these mutated animals survive as long as they do.
If realization and acceptance is there, that even in aquaria they may not live full lives, that may be acceptable.
Even with species created just for color like EBJDs, not considering what may be lost selecting only for simple looks, alone and not robustness seems to be problematic.
Depending if, or what you believe. BPs are either line bred mutant severums, mutant midevils, or a combination of both, or simple hybrids of ????????
They are not a species.
Needless to say, the extreme versions have severely mutated mouths, spines, and mutated bodies, the insides, and organs, of which have been crammed twisted this way and that.
Just as balloon goldfish are known to have had chronic digestive, buency and other health problems, for millennia, it's no surprise "creating a cichlid", considering "only" its outer appearance, and not the ramifications of what is done to the insides would be frought with the same issues.
Not casting personal aspersions, about what can or should be liked or not, but it should not be surprising that cancers, genetic diseases and other maladies would be the result of such man made manipulation and mutation driven endeavors considering only "cuteness".
Nature and evolution tend to weed out the weak and disease prone with the survival of the fittest.
Only in an artificial environment of an aquarium would these mutated animals survive as long as they do.
If realization and acceptance is there, that even in aquaria they may not live full lives, that may be acceptable.
Even with species created just for color like EBJDs, not considering what may be lost selecting only for simple looks, alone and not robustness seems to be problematic.
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I get your point, you've made it crystal clear across the board your opinion on hybrids numerous times. I know BPs aren't a species. This may have been a genetic disposition, or something triggered by unknown factors over time we'll never know. I posted the information for medical knowledge. I would say that if you have a female parrot with similar issues, just care for the fish and let them live whatever their destined lifespan is.
Parrots are popular not just for appearance but their interaction, intelligence, and complex behaviors. If this weren't the case looks alone wouldn't make them sell. Some parrots are ugly asf, some gorgeous, some in-between. Just like with 'pure' species. How many times have people had beautiful fish they had no passion for and treat like decorations? I ain't no fanatic, I know the deal.
I almost chose being a vet in school because of my love for animals. I've had every 'pet' under the sun. They aren't humans, but we aren't them, either. I appreciate them for what they are, period. There are species people here are passionate about I couldn't give a rat's ass...but I respect their choices and understand their perspective.
And the bit about all parrots having curved spines and useless mouths is the most perpetuated nonsense. Because they are various hybrid combos, some have these features and some don't. Patch had a spine straight as an arrow, and a working mouth of teeth. I got the x-rays.
Some of my parrots have a fixed mouth, some not. Some can bite, some not. Its a case by case basis. So dig it, I'm gonna get more.
I have a theory about the original source of her infection. She had ick over two years ago and had small holes in her sides like pockmarks. They later healed but I believe its possible normally harmless bacteria entered her body that way and started a chain reaction. The oldest infection was in the outer layers of her body.
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