At what point can you call a person advanced fishkeeper?

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Oddball - i do agree this is a cool topic ( even if i did post it myself LOL) and we should probably get or set some guidelines to see what makes a person an advanced fish keeper.

Neil - what attacks? I hope you were not pertaining to me.
 
Hmmmm that is a tough one to ponder on. I don’t really like the term "advanced" and I don't think there are any experts out there either. I hate it when people think they are experts and know everything. I am not attacking you Neal, I just had to say that in case u felt that way. I prefer to be called experienced. When people ask me about info on some fish I have kept. I usually say "from my experience….."
 
just as in any non formal ranking "system" the term advanced is that of perspective, someone with ten yrs experience is advanced to someone just starting, but NOT advanced to someone with 40 yrs experienced,


the sheer nature of the word leaves its definition truly up to you, and you alone....
 
"the mere fact that the aquarist kept sharks that bred in captivity has to be called "advanced" since he knew the proper husbandry to keep the sharks well for them to breed in aquaria.. something (from what i understand) is hard to achieve."

Aha!! Now, we can start digging into the marrow of this subject. I've bred leopard sharks in the past. Got quite a number of pups out of my trio. However, I've never been successful in breeding bettas and raising the fry. I know a lot can be said about someone's level of interest. I've never really been interested in bettas so, I never devoted a whole lot of time and effort into breeding them. On the other hand, I've always been interested in large primitive fish and devoted a lot of time into learning about raising and breeding sharks. That's where the question comes in of 'who is more advanced', the keeper who breeds sharks or the keeper who breeds bettas. Or, are they both considered advanced due to their respective breeding successes?
 
I think most of the people on this site who have answered your question have hit the nail on the head!!!

I have only been in the game for 4 years and i thought i knew a vast amount of knowlege until i found this web site and since i have been here i have done nothing but listen and learn about fish spieces and still learning i would like to think i have also contributed to someone elses fish education.

I think this hobbie is alot like life really always learning earning new skills about the certain spieces we all keep.
 
I would say breeding leopard sharks is more advanced than breeding bettas since sharks entail more space , a knowledge of saltwater keeping ( bit more advanced than fresh) and literature regarding breeding of sharks in aquaria is sparse , compared to say breeding bettas.

But breeding bettas can be considered advanced as well, providing the breeder knew what it took to breed and it was just plain old luck.

I do get your point regarding interest, and i guess thats why there are people who specialize in one thing ( we have people who keep just africans, stingrays etc.) .

Jed - agree on you on some points. But there are experts out there ( believe it or not). Youre just jaded because the advent of the internet "spawned" a lot of 'experts" who just read a little and "memorized" the standard answers on fish boards a bit and will now claim that they are experts. Theyre a bit hard to find nowadays. . . If you dont like the word advanced, just switch it to the word "experienced" everytime you read it. LOL

Any other opinions comments on what makes a fish keeper "advanced"/experienced? Is time invested in the hobby all there is to make one advanced?? Fish ? Setup? Interest??
 
Oddball said:
"the mere fact that the aquarist kept sharks that bred in captivity has to be called "advanced" since he knew the proper husbandry to keep the sharks well for them to breed in aquaria.. something (from what i understand) is hard to achieve."

Aha!! Now, we can start digging into the marrow of this subject. I've bred leopard sharks in the past. Got quite a number of pups out of my trio. However, I've never been successful in breeding bettas and raising the fry. I know a lot can be said about someone's level of interest. I've never really been interested in bettas so, I never devoted a whole lot of time and effort into breeding them. On the other hand, I've always been interested in large primitive fish and devoted a lot of time into learning about raising and breeding sharks. That's where the question comes in of 'who is more advanced', the keeper who breeds sharks or the keeper who breeds bettas. Or, are they both considered advanced due to their respective breeding successes?

I agree there as well. I have bred may type so fish before but I can't breed Bettas as well. My Dad has done it and says it's a piece of cake but I just cant get it to work. LOL!

I guess I would call someone advance when the figure things out that is out of the ordininary....not sure if I said that. Well anyways take for example. I think the guy's name is Paul Allen or something. He figured out how to breed and raise Monos in tanks. When I read the artcile before in TFH. I was just amazed.
 
thats definitely advanced right? I guess breeding fish can make a fishkeeper advanced/exp. as they met all the husbandry ( other than convicts and mollies)needed to make the fish thrive .
 
The TRUST said:
Hmmmm that is a tough one to ponder on. I don’t really like the term "advanced" and I don't think there are any experts out there either. I hate it when people think they are experts and know everything. I am not attacking you Neal, I just had to say that in case u felt that way. I prefer to be called experienced. When people ask me about info on some fish I have kept. I usually say "from my experience….."

100% behind this
 
There ya' go. I much prefer the word "experienced" to advanced. I'm also a follower of the 'Power of Accidents'. Let me explain... I was able to breed clown knives back in the early 80s. My pair had displayed to each other on many occassions but never closed the deal. While I was routing new plumbing lines around the garage, I set a bunch of pipes inside their tank so they'd be in easy reach for me. Well, as soon as the pipes went into the tank, the male knife started weaving in and out of the pipes and soon the female joined him. I left them alone for a few hours and returned to a nice nest of eggs that the parents were hovering over. See? This accident led to me becoming more experienced in the hobby. After that spawning, I started making a forest of the thick bamboo they used in carpet rolls for my knife tank and got a few more spawns out of them before I had to sell them off due to my new ship deploying.
 
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