i actually already realised it before i even posted, but was feeling bummed out and couldn't bring myself to face it. lol. i can get my $$ back, but i think i'll keep the vatf. no sense throwing some good $$ on cab fares around and ending up with an empty tank. and i just found out all the 6-7inch goliaths(i think 4 of them) avail in this country has not grown for 8 months....i think i will be giving them a miss too.