Babies and pit bulls!

[doomiedee]

Hello; I posted the links in this particular thread due to the way things went on a related thread some time back. My comments were taken to task and often dismissed as being only my opinion and thus of no more value than some other persons opinion. My thinking this time is to add some evidence from other sources. I cannot personally verify the accuracy of the various news agencies such as Fox or Huffington, nor the dog bite website. Some forum members are clearly not going to accept any criticism of their favored dog breeds and it is not a surprise that one way to down play the evidence is to express misgivings.
I have seen the video of the ten year old boy from near Knoxville TN months after being mauled by a dog. He was scarred and had lost his ears. The community was trying to rally around him and give his family support. These attacks do happen and even if some fault can be found in the details, I do not see how this evidence can be dismissed.
In the particular case of the tragic death of the three month old in Texas I did go by what I read from the news agencies. Am I to not believe that the infant was not killed by a family dog? Both news stories that I read stated that the dogs were pitbulls so yes; until some other evidence is presented I will go by those reports.
That the news agencies go for stories like shark attacks, dog attacks, shootings and such does not mean that these things do not happen. Behind the headlines that the news people run are personal tragedies that affect real people.
For the forum members that trust their dogs and have them around their children, my sincere hope is that all goes well for you and yours.

I'm dismissing your comments but to be honest I do view it as your opinion cause your not speaking from personal experience. You going by what you read on those sites witch can be wrong about their info or just want to put blame on pit bulls. a few months ago a old lady was attacked by two pit bulls. When they actually showed the dogs they weren't even pits. One was a mix of a short hair pointer n pit but the other was just a short hair pointer. Witch do look some what similar to pit bulls. They claimed both were pure breed pit bulls though.

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[Lupin]

You may think that but I can honestly say I trust my dog completely when she's alone with my son. Otherwise I wouldn't let her sleep in his room at night. She treats him like a little brother. She'll start barking if he crys not to attack him but to get our attention. Like I said before she wakes me up at night when he crys to eat or be changed. And after that attack from that golden lab I know she knows to protect all of us when the tried to go for my son she quickly tackled it and started fighting it. As I tried to brake em up and the lab turned on me and bit my arm. she bit the labs tail so hard it yelped and ran off into the woods.

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Doomiedee, I already mentioned "do it at your own risk". We cannot simply advise others to leave their kids with any breed is safe especially if unsupervised. It is not that simple. Bear in mind cases will vary even with the same breeds. And this is a fish forum. How many other members will understand the complexity behind such situations?

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[doomiedee]

Doomiedee, I already mentioned "do it at your own risk". We cannot simply advise others to leave their kids with any breed is safe especially if unsupervised. It is not that simple. Bear in mind cases will vary even with the same breeds. And this is a fish forum. How many other members will understand the complexity behind such situations?

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Yes I understand that and your right not all dogs are the same. I wouldn't advise it either but as for I know my son is safe with her especially after last night. I'm pretty sure many don't understand the complexity of it and cast a biased opinion on the subject. The subject itself is so back and forth its hard to get a point across.

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[Aquanero]

No small child and definatly no infant should be left unsupervised with a dog. I would always error on the side of caution. The well trained family pet gets it's tail pulled one day and decides it's dominant over the child and wants to show it.

People love to put human enotions and feeling into their dogs and dogs just don't think or precieve things the way we do.

 

[doomiedee]

No small child and definatly no infant should be left unsupervised with a dog. I would always error on the side of caution. The well trained family pet gets it's tail pulled one day and decides it's dominant over the child and wants to show it.

People love to put human enotions and feeling into their dogs and dogs just don't think or precieve things the way we do.

Trust me my son pulls her tail and ears pokes her in the eyes bits her scratches her and anything else and she doesn't even think of dominance cause she knows her postion in the family and plays it like a NFL quarter back.

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[Aquanero]

So there is no misunderstanding, my comment wasn't directed specificly towards you. That's good she knows her place in the "pack".

 

[doomiedee]

So there is no misunderstanding, my comment wasn't directed specificly towards you. That's good she knows her place in the "pack".

Ok there wasn't one. Yes its very good that she knows her place.

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[skjl47]

I'm dismissing your comments but to be honest I do view it as your opinion cause your not speaking from personal experience. You going by what you read on those sites witch can be wrong about their info or just want to put blame on pit bulls. a few months ago a old lady was attacked by two pit bulls. When they actually showed the dogs they weren't even pits. One was a mix of a short hair pointer n pit but the other was just a short hair pointer. Witch do look some what similar to pit bulls. They claimed both were pure breed pit bulls though.

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Hello; In the sense that I have not been personally attacked and mauled by a pit bull, you are correct. I have not had that particular personal experience. I have however been around pit bulls.(for sure pit bulls)
Perhaps the experience of my next door neighbor's family will give some credibility. They raised a pit bull from a pup and had it for years. In his words "One day it just turned on them". We spoke of it again this afternoon.
I also have a friend who kept his son's pit bull for a while. He felt that he had to make sure the dog was locked in another room when he had company and that he had to have a very secure fence. He also said that the dog was very loving and friendly around him and his son, but he had no illusions about what the dog could do to a stranger. Something else to be dismissed or explained away.

As to the media sources. It would be very convenient for each of us to simply dismiss any news report or website that said something we do not happen to like. That does not seem to be a very impressive way to get at the truth. It is my understanding that the dog bite website uses some statistics gathered by various government agencies. I would also think that these numbers can be checked on and independently verified. I do know that at least two of the maulings reported on their site happened not too far from my location and were covered, with video, by the local news agencies. While you do not have to like what they report, I do not feel that simply dismiss it by saying they could be wrong. They could also be correct. My guess is that they work at being correct.

You have made a decision to entrust your child with an animal capable of doing him harm. That is your choice. I would not make such a choice.

 

[doomiedee]

Hello; In the sense that I have not been personally attacked and mauled by a pit bull, you are correct. I have not had that particular personal experience. I have however been around pit bulls.(for sure pit bulls)
Perhaps the experience of my next door neighbor's family will give some credibility. They raised a pit bull from a pup and had it for years. In his words "One day it just turned on them". We spoke of it again this afternoon.
I also have a friend who kept his son's pit bull for a while. He felt that he had to make sure the dog was locked in another room when he had company and that he had to have a very secure fence. He also said that the dog was very loving and friendly around him and his son, but he had no illusions about what the dog could do to a stranger. Something else to be dismissed or explained away.

As to the media sources. It would be very convenient for each of us to simply dismiss any news report or website that said something we do not happen to like. That does not seem to be a very impressive way to get at the truth. It is my understanding that the dog bite website uses some statistics gathered by various government agencies. I would also think that these numbers can be checked on and independently verified. I do know that at least two of the maulings reported on their site happened not too far from my location and were covered, with video, by the local news agencies. While you do not have to like what they report, I do not feel that simply dismiss it by saying they could be wrong. They could also be correct. My guess is that they work at being correct.

You have made a decision to entrust your child with an animal capable of doing him harm. That is your choice. I would not make such a choice.

Like I said before I don't dismiss the fact that the dog could turn on me or my family at any second but to be honest. I don't see that in her. I've raised all types of pits even some breed to fight that had to be locked away in a 3'x2' cage. I don't see that as being right. As for my dog she is in a better place now she knows my family loves her and she is happy. Just yesterday I was with running as we usually do and we bumped into her previous owner who beat her and she tried to snap at him. It wasn't much of a surprise to me cause he abused her. My point being is dogs are smart and they remember things like that. Personally I just don't see her turning on my son or family for that matter I've only heard her bark at a person once and that was the previous owner. She is very relaxed when we are home and often sleeps the whole day cause we run atleast five miles each day. I don't give her chew toys or pulling ropes anything that she would think its ok to bite. And it is my personal choice to leave my dog with my son and you may not agree but again you haven't personal owned a pit bull. Yes those stories of your neighbors and friends are credible but did their pit ever bit some one? It didn't seem that way to me and since all you really said was one day it just turned on them. Well it could happen with any animal. For example years back I had a ball python loves it to death and the snake trusted me. I would handle during sheeding and every other with no problem till one day I went to go take her out to bring her outside and get some sun as I put my fingers in thebox she hides in she struck my hand and started to wrap around it. I never expected it but it happened. I know its a complete different animal but its the same situation were the animal turned. After tthat was all over I was thinking and realized that she was hungry .

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[Bderick67]

Your dog just recently snapped at someone? So your dog remembers being beaten, Not only does it remember who beat it but it remembers the actions of being beaten. This dog could easily misinterpret someone's actions while playing with it and snap at them.

With the history of this dog, IMO you are being very negligent in keeping this dog, hopefully your son won't have to pay the ultimate price for your choice.