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Welcome back kittyhazelton :) wow you really have insane creature :) wish i would have ability to keep one (found spectacled online and barely dragged myself away from it) :)

Dont mind harsh comments.. there is "envious" written between lines ;)

Hope everything turns out fine this time - i know how hard is to give away such animal..

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Wow I always thought that gator would bite the turtles head :o really cool

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I personally don't have the space or time to invest in keeping one, but I'm not gonna knock someone for wanting to and actually doing it. Maybe we should extend the benefit of the doubt ....

Sounds like the op is pretty well versed in the area or is at the very least, willing to learn. Who knows, we all might learn something from the experience.








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Well, all I have to say is I love learning about people's experience with animals i have an interests in whether I plan on keeping them myself. I hope these silly posts doesn't stop the OP from posting in the future

I'll be on the look out for more. Good luck
 
I for one would love to see that little gator grow up.

Kitty and Lep, you guys have some amazing pets. :thumbsup:
 
Awww since my pic got deleted in the great thread clean up, here it is again.

Claudia approves!
 
There have been many questions that have arisen on this topic and I would like to take a moment to answer a few of them in a sane & mature matter…

How the heck did I even GET an alligator?
I have worked with, and continue to work with several wildlife educational facilities in New England that are licensed for wildlife outreach programs. As a founder of a reptile rescue organization I have a unique opportunity to interact with some of the more “advanced” species, such as alligators, caiman, large monitors, giant constrictors etc. It is through my colleagues in these organization that I was able to receive a juvenile alligator to use for my own outreach programs as is permitted by the 2 state permits & animal shelter licensing I currently possess. This animal was transferred to me from my colleagues, who have determined that I currently possess the knowledge and capacity necessary to provide adequate care for the creature. Let me reiterate that this is not “A PET” and never will be considered as such. In order to even acquire such an animal as this I have had to maintain State-issued licensing which requires inspection and meeting very specific guidelines on housing, sanitation, and care. I pay approximately $700 a year for the various permits that I possess, and have to allow an inspection every 6 months in order to maintain this status.

How am I going to continue to house this animal?
The alligator resides in my home & private residence at this time. Yes, my immediate setup is not sufficient for an ADULT alligator. I know this, and it’s ridiculous of me to assume that I am going to keep this animal IN MY HOUSE for the rest of it’s life. That is NOT the plan… Fortunately there is a long-term and much more reasonable plan already in place. My unique partnership with the organizations I currently work with, does allow for expansion of not only my current premises, but a long-term plan for any animals I take into my home. This is an existing legal partnership with agreeable parties to grow an organization into a public facility as a long-term plan & goal. Yes, I currently maintain private ownership of this animal… but legally it is an animal that belongs to the organization which is in the process of becoming it’s own self-sustaining entity. With any luck, it may only be a matter of a couple of years before UVRG is the area’s only zoo!.. at which point I can happily quit my IT job and begin a full-time career as a zookeeper. And, even if we were to look at worse-case scenario... say my organization falls and I have to "give it up" This alligator HAS a home if necessary with one of the organizations that I am partnered with. Believe it or not, it is not uncommon for zoos and other facilities to "lend out" juvenile alligators until they reach a length that is too dangerous to work with for public demonstrations... however I am going to do my darndest to see about keeping this animal within my care for as long as it lives, and should I fail to meet that challenge the appropriate alternatives have already been arranged.

Do I even know what I’m doing?
You know, probably only vaguely… really, when it comes down to it this is the first alligator I have worked with from a baby so in reality this is very much a learning experience. I can only estimate on it’s growth rate, housing requirements, and cost to keep based on the knowledge I’ve been provided by those who I’ve been working with. I am very fortunate to have certain resources at my disposal whenever a question comes up. I am even more fortunate to have the backing of people who can help me along the way to provide the best possible for this animal while giving me such an incredible opportunity. I don’t know if this animal will continue to be as docile as the 7-footer that I’ve met at another facility was, nor do I have any idea if I am going to continue to make the same income I am making now in 3 years. There are no real guarantees here, but that’s all part of the challenge of it.
 
Sounds to me like you have planned for the future the best you can, there's nothing wrong with dreaming big, that's why most of us are MFK's after all! I think your really lucky to have this opportunity so good luck with it, keep updating :)


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The article you linked to is the suggested size for a croc or gator. It has 0 bearing on a caiman.

"Caiman" is referenced 5 times. Here's the full section of the article outlining minimum enclosure sizes...

5.1.2 How large does the enclosure need to be?

The answer to this question will depend upon the size of your animal, but you must also plan ahead and consider how quickly it will grow. Above all, your animal needs space. Space is important for several reasons. Your caiman may start off small as a hatchling, but growth is rapid. Despite what you might have heard, crocodilians do not stop growing when they reach the size of their enclosure, and their health and lifespan will be compromised if you don't enlarge it to keep up. Your caiman needs enough space to move around comfortably - to submerge and swim in the water, and walk around on the land. In addition to considering the amount of space your caiman requires, don't forget that every time you need to replace the enclosure with a bigger one, it's going to cost you money. Plan ahead - ensure that the enclosure will last for at least 12 months. Check the growth charts earlier in this document to find out how fast your animal could grow in a year or two.

But how much space does a certain sized animal actually need? As an absolute minimum, the enclosure width and depth should be 3 to 4 times the animal's total length, but larger sizes are preferable. In fact at least one country, Germany, will soon introduce quite specific requirements on the minimum size of an enclosure for a crocodilian. These apply to everyone in Germany, from private keepers to zoos, so they provide some guidelines to everyone. For a pair of crocodiles, minimum land area must be 3 times the largest animal's SVL (snout-vent length) wide and 4 times long. The minimum water area must be 4 times the largest animal's SVL wide and 5 times long, and minimum depth must be 0.3 times SVL. So, a pair of animals with a SVL of 1 metre (3.3 ft) - adult caiman size - would require a land area of 12 square metres (39.3 square feet) and a water area of 20 square metres (65.6 square feet) to a depth of 30 cm (12 inches). These German rules are intended for all species, although some species (like caiman ) prefer a lot more water. Other countries, such as the US, may not have such minimum requirements (although check with your state's wildlife office), but these rules illustrate the kind of enclosure size you would ideally be looking at. More animals will require a larger space - under German rules for example, add 10% more land area and 20% more water area for each additional animal. Still think that crocodilians are easy to accommodate?

Plenty of space enables your crocodilian to walk or swim around comfortably, with the ability to bask and submerge if necessary. Space also makes it easier to set up a thermal gradient in the enclosure - with a range of temperatures that the animal can choose if it wants to warm or cool itself. Lack of space leads to inactivity, increased stress, and poor health.

Looking forward to seeing the awesome facility the gator will be housed in. I think we can all agree it deserves nothing less.
 
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