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On the topic of bad side effects in morphs, did you all see that new albino ball or whatever that the guy hatched? The one that died from internal issues shortly after it was born?
Kind of blew my mind when in the sentence after saying it died, the guy said he was going to attempt pairing the same two parents to try and get it again... I'm sorry, what? You produced a fatal mutation, the ethical thing to do would be avoid reproducing it..
It also really points out how little these breeders actually know about what they're doing.. All they care about is what two snakes need to be put together to make them money. They don't even have a rudimentary knowledge of genetics, how they work, or how morphs are first produced, as he obviously thinks that the parents even had anything to do with the morph he produced. The cause of a morph is a random mutation in the DNA of one of the parent's gametes or in the zygote... And a random mutation is just that, random. It could happen at any time, no telling where, when, or the effect it will have. The likelihood of the exact same mutation happening twice at all is incredibly low, you might as well call it zero. The likelihood of it happening from the same two parents twice in a row..... Not a snowball's chance in hell.
 
black_sun said:
I'm hoping so. It's one of my favorite morphs, and I've passed over a few because they had wobble or came from/were related to animals that had it (not that I want to breed, but I don't really want a pet with health issues, either). But the guy I got it from seemed to be pulling animals from very different lines/breeders/etc for his breeding projects... not to say that unfortunately he may have picked up badly inbred animals. But here's to hoping that what appears to be a healthy snake, stays a healthy snake.
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That's good to hear that there is at least one responsible breeder out there. The lack of a close relationship between the parents should have helped a ton even if he used badly inbred animals.

A. gigas said:
On the topic of bad side effects in morphs, did you all see that new albino ball or whatever that the guy hatched? The one that died from internal issues shortly after it was born?
Kind of blew my mind when in the sentence after saying it died, the guy said he was going to attempt pairing the same two parents to try and get it again... I'm sorry, what? You produced a fatal mutation, the ethical thing to do would be avoid reproducing it..
It also really points out how little these breeders actually know about what they're doing.. All they care about is what two snakes need to be put together to make them money. They don't even have a rudimentary knowledge of genetics, how they work, or how morphs are first produced, as he obviously thinks that the parents even had anything to do with the morph he produced. The cause of a morph is a random mutation in the DNA of one of the parent's gametes or in the zygote... And a random mutation is just that, random. It could happen at any time, no telling where, when, or the effect it will have. The likelihood of the exact same mutation happening twice at all is incredibly low, you might as well call it zero. The likelihood of it happening from the same two parents twice in a row..... Not a snowball's chance in hell.
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I didn't hear about that one. Is it on Facebook or something? I'd like to check it out.
 
A. gigas said:
On the topic of bad side effects in morphs, did you all see that new albino ball or whatever that the guy hatched? The one that died from internal issues shortly after it was born?
Kind of blew my mind when in the sentence after saying it died, the guy said he was going to attempt pairing the same two parents to try and get it again... I'm sorry, what? You produced a fatal mutation, the ethical thing to do would be avoid reproducing it..
It also really points out how little these breeders actually know about what they're doing.. All they care about is what two snakes need to be put together to make them money. They don't even have a rudimentary knowledge of genetics, how they work, or how morphs are first produced, as he obviously thinks that the parents even had anything to do with the morph he produced. The cause of a morph is a random mutation in the DNA of one of the parent's gametes or in the zygote... And a random mutation is just that, random. It could happen at any time, no telling where, when, or the effect it will have. The likelihood of the exact same mutation happening twice at all is incredibly low, you might as well call it zero. The likelihood of it happening from the same two parents twice in a row..... Not a snowball's chance in hell.
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Im not sure if I completely follow you. Im just confused by what you mean and would like to clarify. What exactly are you talking about with random mutation? The morphs produced are not random mutation, but genetic traits passed down from the parents. thats why we know what morphs can be created by crossing two parents, IE a bumblebee can be created by mixing spider to pastel. So it would make sense to cross the parents again to create that morph, because it was a genetic trait not necessarily random.

Hes still an idiot for doing it since 6 eggs were useless, one was completely deformed and one had terrible internal health issues, apparently a bad genetic combination
 
Shenanigans said:
Im not sure if I completely follow you. Im just confused by what you mean and would like to clarify. What exactly are you talking about with random mutation? The morphs produced are not random mutation, but genetic traits passed down from the parents. thats why we know what morphs can be created by crossing two parents, IE a bumblebee can be created by mixing spider to pastel. So it would make sense to cross the parents again to create that morph, because it was a genetic trait not necessarily random.

Hes still an idiot for doing it since 6 eggs were useless, one was completely deformed and one had terrible internal health issues, apparently a bad genetic combination
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A random mutation makes the first morph, which can then be bred to make more through genetic inheritance. Each and every morph on the market stems back to a founder snake, one snake where a mutation occurred. That mutation was then passed on through breeding.
 
ahh, now I follow you lol. I was not thinking of the first, or original that started it all. The first time reading the article, I didnt realize he was believing it to be some new mutation
 
Took some more photos in natural light today. And it seems to have settled in nicely now, it's active and all over the place in it's enclosure. Really happy with the trade, I think, and so is my boyfriend who had no love for the Blood Python. He seems to really be enjoying this one, although he keeps trying to name it stupid things. >_<

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TRR, that reminds me, I think it was their article that just showed up on my FB newsfeed for the eyeless Hognose that's going up for auction. Might not have been them, I get updates for articles, sales and auctions from a few but anyway, the comment section on the article about it was crazy. What people were saying they'd pay for a defective animal, gee, wish I had that kind of scratch (not to buy an eyeless animal, of course, but you know what I mean).

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Agreed.. If I ever breed and get a defective baby like that, it will either be euthanized if it's bad enough, or I will keep it. I won't sell a defective animal though, I can tell you that much.
 
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