beani trip: Baluarte plus Pacific Fat Sleeper

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dogofwar said:
Why not let everyone know the process?

The permit from the US is covered (USFWS Import Export Permit). The one from the country of origin (i.e. Mexico) is what I don't know how to do. Joe said that he's got it covered. So...what does someone need to do?

Have you also exported from Mexico?

Matt
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YoU Dont Get The Hint Here? Instead Of Expecting Someone To Just Give You There Hard Earned Answer, Why Dont You Take A Trip To Mexico Yourself And Risk The Dangers You May Encounter, Like Getting Your Head Cut Off Over Fish, And NetworK With The Locals Or Correct Officals To Get The Answers Your Looking For Instead Of De Railing This Thread And Expecting A Free Handout... Maybe You Should Ask Jeff Rapps Lol. Im Sure He'd Be Happy To Tell YoU How Its Done Lol.. Let Me Ask You This, Are You Interested In Buying Any Of Joe's Cichlids He Plans On Bringing Back ? Because ReaLly, That's What This Thread Is About...
 
UMBEEKING said:
YoU Dont Get The Hint Here? Instead Of Expecting Someone To Just Give You There Hard Earned Answer, Why Dont You Take A Trip To Mexico Yourself And Risk The Dangers You May Encounter, Like Getting Your Head Cut Off Over Fish, And NetworK With The Locals Or Correct Officals To Get The Answers Your Looking For Instead Of De Railing This Thread And Expecting A Free Handout... Maybe You Should Ask Jeff Rapps Lol. Im Sure He'd Be Happy To Tell YoU How Its Done Lol.. Let Me Ask You This, Are You Interested In Buying Any Of Joe's Cichlids He Plans On Bringing Back ? Because ReaLly, That's What This Thread Is About...
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Lol, let the dog off the leash! It's nice to see you back on mfk Chris.


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UMBEEKING said:
YoU Dont Get The Hint Here? Instead Of Expecting Someone To Just Give You There Hard Earned Answer, Why Dont You Take A Trip To Mexico Yourself And Risk The Dangers You May Encounter, Like Getting Your Head Cut Off Over Fish, And NetworK With The Locals Or Correct Officals To Get The Answers Your Looking For Instead Of De Railing This Thread And Expecting A Free Handout... Maybe You Should Ask Jeff Rapps Lol. Im Sure He'd Be Happy To Tell YoU How Its Done Lol.. Let Me Ask You This, Are You Interested In Buying Any Of Joe's Cichlids He Plans On Bringing Back ? Because ReaLly, That's What This Thread Is About...
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You are an arrogant A*****E. I usually don't get this riled up from stupid comments, but yours take the cake. Love to see this thread shut down because of dweebs like you. Sorry Matt. I think I know what you're up against here.
Reasonable and decent requests met with this kind of "crap "response is a disgrace to the integrity of this forum. Do you actually speak to people face to face like this? A real winner:screwy:Oh, and where is there an indication that the thread is about buying Joe's fish. Everyone just jumps in and says, "I'll take some ... Is that what defines the thread's intent? Pretty cryptic.
Apologies to you Joe for involving myself in this way your perfectly good and exciting thread. It's the flotsam and jetsam
UMBEEKING said:
that's the problem. I won't be responding again.
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notho2000 said:
You are an arrogant A*****E. I usually don't get this riled up from stupid comments, but yours take the cake. Love to see this thread shut down because of dweebs like you. Sorry Matt. I think I know what you're up against here.
Reasonable and decent requests met with this kind of "crap "response is a disgrace to the integrity of this forum. Do you actually speak to people face to face like this? A real winner:screwy:Oh, and where is there an indication that the thread is about buying Joe's fish. Everyone just jumps in and says, "I'll take some ... Is that what defines the thread's intent? Pretty cryptic.
Apologies to you Joe for involving myself in this way your perfectly good and exciting thread. It's the flotsam and jetsam
UMBEEKING said:
that's the problem. I won't be responding again.
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Lmao!!! :ROFL: I just got jumped by modest Mans dad lol. Thanks and yes I wish I could say face to face ;)
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A "decent and reasonable request"??? Huh... you sound like the bigger a****** here actually. Oh yeah the OP is to just simply hand over his connections, resources, exporters, and best practices most likely learned through putting in the necessary effort and hard work just because some random person on this site just so happened to ask?????? Do me a favor and pull your big head out your a** next time you want to get worked up about a thread and just be thankful that the OP actually has the ability to bring in such rare and beautiful fish from some of the most hostile and hard to find places. Stop derailing this thread now and watch this man do what he does best, something obviously you two saps don't have the slightest clue how to.

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BlesOne said:
A "decent and reasonable request"??? Huh... you sound like the bigger a****** here actually. Oh yeah the OP is to just simply hand over his connections, resources, exporters, and best practices most likely learned through putting in the necessary effort and hard work just because some random person on this site just so happened to ask?????? Do me a favor and pull your big head out your a** next time you want to get worked up about a thread and just be thankful that the OP actually has the ability to bring in such rare and beautiful fish from some of the most hostile and hard to find places. Stop derailing this thread now and watch this man do what he does best, something obviously you two saps don't have the slightest clue how to.

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BlesOne,Well Said Brother!!! Joe, I Wouldnt TelL These To Characters Shshhh!!! Thank You For Your Contribution To Our Great Hobby That Your About To Make And I Cant Wait To See What You Bring back!!!
 
You honestly couldn't have provided a more ignorant or misguided response. Unless the situation has deteriorated considerably, I don't think that I'm in much danger of being decapitated in the Cenotes around Tulum...

For anyone who cares, proper permits are potentially available through SEMARNAT, the Mexican Ministry of Environment and Natural Resources, the government agency whose main purpose "to promote the protection, restoration and conservation of ecosystems and natural resources and environmental goods and services, in order to promote their use and sustainable development "(Organic Law of the Federal Public Administration, Article 32a renovated in the DOF on December 26, 2013).

This is their website, but I haven't figured out the process for a federal permit (in order to comply with the US Lacey Act, one must obtain authorization to export from the country of origin) or whether a (Mexican) state permit it required: http://www.semarnat.gob.mx/

Sounds like you're not following the proper procedures, so good luck with USFWS...

Matt

UMBEEKING said:
YoU Dont Get The Hint Here? Instead Of Expecting Someone To Just Give You There Hard Earned Answer, Why Dont You Take A Trip To Mexico Yourself And Risk The Dangers You May Encounter, Like Getting Your Head Cut Off Over Fish, And NetworK With The Locals Or Correct Officals To Get The Answers Your Looking For Instead Of De Railing This Thread And Expecting A Free Handout... Maybe You Should Ask Jeff Rapps Lol. Im Sure He'd Be Happy To Tell YoU How Its Done Lol.. Let Me Ask You This, Are You Interested In Buying Any Of Joe's Cichlids He Plans On Bringing Back ? Because ReaLly, That's What This Thread Is About...
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This went down hill quickly. I don't personally get all of the secrets and hostility BS. Everyone acts like if they tell people how they get the fish thousands of hobbyist are going to go to Mexico to take everything they can and ruin the hobby. About 0.01% of the aquarium hobbyist in the US even have any desire to collect fish and out of those the vast majority do not have the funding to do it anyway. Matt is asking about collecting in a completely different area anyway. When everyone acts like its a secret we all know the reason answers are not given. These fish are not coming back legally. If someone wants to risk there future for fish that is there prerogative. We all have our own paths to walk in life and we all have to decide what is most important to ourselves. I'm not perfect and I'm not here to judge anyone, but lets not fool ourselves and act like something is on the up and up that is not. Many of the most famous people in the aquarium trade have smuggled fish for years. In the last several years regulations have stiffened and many country's do not allow exporting of fish unless it is research related. Some bad apples always ruin it for everyone.

As for the hostility, I promise that people on this forum do not talk to people in person the way they post on here. It's typical mob rule nonsense with no consequences because you are protected by your computer screen. It's human nature to jump in and act tough when there are no consequences, it's not human nature to act that way to peoples faces because no one like to get the S@@t beat out of them. Or as it often goes in todays world stabbed or shot.

Seeing new bloodlines in the hobby is great and I respect anyone that is bringing fish in. I would prefer it to be legally but to each there own and hopefully Joe is in fact doing it legal. Looking forward to seeing the beani when they show up. They are cool fish.
 
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