Best Stocking for my 1584Gal/6000liter tank

[thebiggerthebetter]

Now that I know that I can keep a TSN I must carefully pick other tank mates.
***I've only offered my opinion. Perhaps it'd be wiser to wait for others, Wednesday13 in particular, whom I call Mr. TSN. What are the tank dimensions?

Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldent a large TSN devour Fullgrown Oscars and Cichla kelberi? due to they reach about 1ft...
***IMHO it will always be a risk. 1' oscar or pbass is a snack for a 30" TSN. 30" TSN is known to eat 18"-20" TSN, according to W13 anyway.

If I'll be adding Cichlas as tankmates for the TSN like the Ocellaris,Monoculus or the Temensis
what would be the best quantity to stock them?
***Depends how many TSN. AFAIK, one cubic inch per gallon rule is a good rough guide.

And I've read that Cichla do get whitespot very easily. Does this change when they get bigger or do they stay like that?
***I'm a rookie at pbass but I've never known that yet.

 

[Clothsack]

Now that I know that I can keep a TSN I must carefully pick other tank mates.
***I've only offered my opinion. Perhaps it'd be wiser to wait for others, Wednesday13 in particular, whom I call Mr. TSN. What are the tank dimensions?

Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldent a large TSN devour Fullgrown Oscars and Cichla kelberi? due to they reach about 1ft...
***IMHO it will always be a risk. 1' oscar or pbass is a snack for a 30" TSN. 30" TSN is known to eat 18"-20" TSN, according to W13 anyway.

If I'll be adding Cichlas as tankmates for the TSN like the Ocellaris,Monoculus or the Temensis
what would be the best quantity to stock them?
***Depends how many TSN. AFAIK, one cubic inch per gallon rule is a good rough guide.

And I've read that Cichla do get whitespot very easily. Does this change when they get bigger or do they stay like that?
***I'm a rookie at pbass but I've never known that yet.

Sorry I didn't mean to rush out and buy a TSN only on your opinion, i was only trying to figure out if i would go that route what pbass and howmany i could add. If i would go for a TSN I would only go for 1 tho.

Im still waiting on some more advice from other experienced fishkeepers.

The tank im building have the following dimensions:

The dimensions of the tank:8.2ftx6.56ftx3ft 11in/ 250cmx200cmx120cm

 

[Clothsack]

Anyone else who could give me advice on keeping a TSN in the tank Im building?

 

[Chockful O Phail]

I had an idea that is slightly out of left field and I could be horribly wrong but if so someone else will correct me so: A highland goonch and 10-15 comets with a smooth rock and sand bottom. Wouldn't have to worry about heating the tank and I think the goonch could do a good job of controlling the comet population. Downside you may have to occasionally pull out the remains of a comet or two.

 

[ShanerBock888]

I agree with Viktor, you'd be fine with several TSN in that tank. The picture posted on page 2 shows an exceptionally large wild specimen, and as Viktor said the tsn's in the hobby are almost all culls and will not get nearly as large as the one in that picture. If you do end up going with TSN, keep in mind their extremely fast growth rate, especially when young. I have an 11 month old that is about 14", and in a tank that size you could even experience faster growth than I did (I've been stepping up the tank size as he grows, instead of putting him directly into his final tank). This means that whatever else you keep in the tank has to be able to keep up with the TSN. So not only is tankmate size a concern, but growth rate too. You can either get fish that will grow as fast as the TSN or you can get the TSN when the rest have a head start.

If I were you I'd definitely get a few of them, they're very awesome fish and unfortunately too many of them don't end up in a situation as good as yours.

 

[Clothsack]

Any Pbass/TSN experts who are willing to give some advice?

Am I reasonable if I'd keep 1 or 2 TSN(understanding from the replies above multiples would be a option) and around 3 to 4 Pbass Temesis in my tank?
After doing some research I understood that Temesis need around 200-300Gal each and a 8ft tank length minimum for life (correct me if Im wrong. Im not the expert )
Or would I overstock the sh*t out of my tank?

What other fish are good tankmates for TSN?

Still trying to figure out what the best combo would be before I even decide to purchase these awesome creatures.

 

[thebiggerthebetter]

wednesday13 will chime in in due time. Just need patience.

 

[wednesday13]

Anyone else who could give me advice on keeping a TSN in the tank Im building?

Your proposed rough dimensions of 8'x7'x3' could house 1-3 TSN (p. fasciatum) for life no prob being that they stay in the 24-30" range. Based on personal experience ur footprint isnt all that large IMO... i kept my groups of cats in a 12' diamater pool, a 10' diamater pool and also a tank 11'x7'x3'... They did best and had the most space in the 12' pool. Water depth doesnt matter much compared to footprint/floor space. Even in the 11'x7'x3' theyd fight more from time to time then in the 12' pool where they were more spread out. They do do well in groups IME, but its impossible to keep them all the same size so there will always be a king of the pack and whoever he doesnt like will surely succumb to death....whether it be relentless harassment/biting or just flat out eating them whole. This goes for any tank mate, and at any given time, even after many years of "playing nice" . Anything you keep with large catfish is liable to become a chew toy or snack when u least expect it. Thats half the fun of keeping them ...but know what ur getting into before hand in that THEY choose their own tank mates...you dont necessarily.

My 34" tsn easily ate his fair share of 16-18" bass, 18" cats, and dozens of 12-14" oscars.... can the combo work...sure... but theres always risk either way. I had a 20" Teminesis bass kill a 28" catfish and have had many many bass eaten or killed by cats just the same. Do you want a bass tank...or a big pred catfish tank? If you want both, be prepared to replace stocks as needed until u can cohab a group that works.

Some tankmates ive had sucess with with large cats in the 20-34" range are as follows. Pacu, Distichodus Sexifaciatus, other catfish, alligator gar, florida softshell turtle 18" carapace, other catfish, and other catfish lol...

Keep in mind "dithers" for TSN need to be in the 18"-24" range themselves to hold their own and avoid being eaten. I always kept cheap stuff like oscars and bass aswell but they eventually dissapear as time goes on. I had many fish donated to my cat ponds over the yrs. Some tankmates lived with the cats for yrs no prob. others were eaten or killed within 24hrs. These were all larger fish being introduced also in the 12"-20" range. They were free, and some ended up being good meals lol... May sound harsh but fish eat fish... if you provide them with a "buffet" of tank mates, you cant be too surprised or angry when theyre consumed.


You can happily cohab an assortment of 6 or so larger cats in ur tank pushing the limits with good filtration and or autodrip/auto changer. If your dead set on the bass.. maybe get just 1 TSN and larger cats with smaller mouths like giraffe, o. niger, irwini, granulosus, vultures, etc... RTC and RTCXTSN are even worse for eating tankmates then TSN, so no dice keeping bass with either of those sp. either long term. bigger mouths and bellies make quick work of tankmates when u forget to feed for a day, or there just extra hungry when the lights go out...

 

[Clothsack]

My 34" tsn easily ate his fair share of 16-18" bass, 18" cats, and dozens of 12-14" oscars.... can the combo work...sure... but theres always risk either way. I had a 20" Teminesis bass kill a 28" catfish and have had many many bass eaten or killed by cats just the same. Do you want a bass tank...or a big pred catfish tank? If you want both, be prepared to replace stocks as needed until u can cohab a group that works.

I would love a big pred catfish tank but I'm not sure what other catfish i could keep who would survive the TSN on the longrun. I'm not so familiar with cats , so if you would have the time to advice some more on what cats I could keep with the TSN would be awesome.

Some tankmates ive had sucess with with large cats in the 20-34" range are as follows. Pacu, Distichodus Sexifaciatus, other catfish, alligator gar, florida softshell turtle 18" carapace, other catfish, and other catfish lol...

From what i understood from all the great advice in this topic is that Pacu might grow to big for my tank, and surely is the Alligator Gar. My goal at fist was to keep Black Pacu with a TSN but that would probably pushing my limits as I dont plan to upgrade from this tank into a bigger one.

Keep in mind "dithers" for TSN need to be in the 18"-24" range themselves to hold their own and avoid being eaten. I always kept cheap stuff like oscars and bass aswell but they eventually dissapear as time goes on. I had many fish donated to my cat ponds over the yrs. Some tankmates lived with the cats for yrs no prob. others were eaten or killed within 24hrs. These were all larger fish being introduced also in the 12"-20" range. They were free, and some ended up being good meals lol... May sound harsh but fish eat fish... if you provide them with a "buffet" of tank mates, you cant be too surprised or angry when theyre consumed.


You can happily cohab an assortment of 6 or so larger cats in ur tank pushing the limits with good filtration and or autodrip/auto changer. If your dead set on the bass.. maybe get just 1 TSN and larger cats with smaller mouths like giraffe, o. niger, irwini, granulosus, vultures, etc... RTC and RTCXTSN are even worse for eating tankmates then TSN, so no dice keeping bass with either of those sp. either long term. bigger mouths and bellies make quick work of tankmates when u forget to feed for a day, or there just extra hungry when the lights go out...

As from uderstanding what u wrote above is that Pbass wouldent be Ideal in the longrun and that it would always be a gamble with other similar Cichlids.

A RTC or RTC/TSN would always be a pride possesion but from what I read on the net is that they grow far to big for my tank. If I had a bigger tank I wouldve keep one of those.

 

[thebiggerthebetter]

I think pbass of at least 18" would be reasonable to try with a 2' TSN. What W13 is saying I think is that such communities are always a gamble, some safer some riskier.

wednesday13 The depth is ~4', not 3', which actually should help the bass stay out of the catfish's way a bit better.

With large predatory catfish and bass, things will happen sooner or later, more so with the catfish. So if this is a risk you can't take, you will have to abandon your TSN plan, I'd think... unless your TSN is housed with very large, disk-shaped fish such as pacu, giant gourami, the aforementioned Distichodus sexfasiatum, etc. It needs to have a very high back and be robust so it never fits in a catfish's mouth in any way, head first or tail first. Compared to these fish, pbass and perchiformes in general are more slender built. So are arowana. Most cyprinids too.

Truth be told, you'd probably be wiser to stay with less predatory and more slender catfish... such as vulture catfish, very pretty, active, and social, or Leiarius marmoratus or pictus, or with non-predatory catfish.