Bichir Worms Or Something Else?

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Have you tested your water?
No
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Do you do water changes?
Yes
What percentage of water do you change?
21-30%
How frequently do you change your water?
Every month
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  1. ...I recognize that I will likely be recommended to do a water change, and water changes are critical for preventing future freshwater health problems.
Hello! This is my first post on the forum, so sorry if I don't follow any guidelines - let me know and I'll fix the post right away.

I'm making this post on behalf of my friend, who's been having some health issues with the Teugelsi bichir in his 75-gallon tank. Recently (over the past month or so) she's begun developing large white patches of scales on her body, which have increased in size over time to cover nearly her entire body. We think the initial cause was a case of bichir worms, as several small translucent worms about half a centimeter long were seen hanging off her scales in the areas; he tried treating for anchorworms initially, but after three weeks of no change he switched to API General Cure and that seems to have eliminated them. The strange thing is that apart from the obvious discoloration issues, she hasn't been acting any different from normal: she's exhibiting normal behavior and is eating just fine (and has grown another 2 inches since this all began, in fact). Also, she shares the tank with two other bichirs (both senegals and much smaller than herself) and neither of them have shown signs of infection. Are the white scales actually a side effect of the worms, or are they an indicator of something else going on? If the former, should he be doing anything else to treat them or will they clear up on their own?

I read the diagnostic forum post and collected all of the information on the checklist from my friend, but I'm not sure what's relevant since I'm not a hobbyist myself and didn't want to just submit a huge bulleted list with no context. Let me know what you want to know more about and I'll reply with what I have. He has some figures about ammonia/nitrites/etc. but he didn't use a test to get them (I think he has little indicator stickers that show the general range?); he works at a Petco, though, so he can get a proper test very easily if need be. Ammonia and nitrites are both 0 and nitrates are 'low', pH is 'on the lower end but not acidic', temperature is 79-80 degrees Fahrenheit, and GH is 'high'. The tank is mostly gravel substrate with a small sandy area for burrowing fish and plenty of hiding places for the bichirs and other shy fish; he does a 25% water change once a month and vacuums the gravel at that time as well. The pictures attached are to give an idea of the progression of the patches: the first one is from the 27th and while still on anchorworm medication, while the second is from today and after 2 doses of API. (I'm also a little concerned because if you zoom in on the second picture it looks like there might be the start of a red spot about a quarter of the way down her body - not sure if that's anything?)

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Hello! This is my first post on the forum, so sorry if I don't follow any guidelines - let me know and I'll fix the post right away.

I'm making this post on behalf of my friend, who's been having some health issues with the Teugelsi bichir in his 75-gallon tank. Recently (over the past month or so) she's begun developing large white patches of scales on her body, which have increased in size over time to cover nearly her entire body. We think the initial cause was a case of bichir worms, as several small translucent worms about half a centimeter long were seen hanging off her scales in the areas; he tried treating for anchorworms initially, but after three weeks of no change he switched to API General Cure and that seems to have eliminated them. The strange thing is that apart from the obvious discoloration issues, she hasn't been acting any different from normal: she's exhibiting normal behavior and is eating just fine (and has grown another 2 inches since this all began, in fact). Also, she shares the tank with two other bichirs (both senegals and much smaller than herself) and neither of them have shown signs of infection. Are the white scales actually a side effect of the worms, or are they an indicator of something else going on? If the former, should he be doing anything else to treat them or will they clear up on their own?

I read the diagnostic forum post and collected all of the information on the checklist from my friend, but I'm not sure what's relevant since I'm not a hobbyist myself and didn't want to just submit a huge bulleted list with no context. Let me know what you want to know more about and I'll reply with what I have. He has some figures about ammonia/nitrites/etc. but he didn't use a test to get them (I think he has little indicator stickers that show the general range?); he works at a Petco, though, so he can get a proper test very easily if need be. Ammonia and nitrites are both 0 and nitrates are 'low', pH is 'on the lower end but not acidic', temperature is 79-80 degrees Fahrenheit, and GH is 'high'. The tank is mostly gravel substrate with a small sandy area for burrowing fish and plenty of hiding places for the bichirs and other shy fish; he does a 25% water change once a month and vacuums the gravel at that time as well. The pictures attached are to give an idea of the progression of the patches: the first one is from the 27th and while still on anchorworm medication, while the second is from today and after 2 doses of API. (I'm also a little concerned because if you zoom in on the second picture it looks like there might be the start of a red spot about a quarter of the way down her body - not sure if that's anything?)

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Yes please get water tested so we can further assist you.
 
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Usually bichir worms cause patchy areas where it’s attached. A round of GC should be good enough for the bichir worms. I’d suggest increasing the water changes to 50% a weekly. Recheck that water after the water change. What was the medicine for anchor worm? When was the last dose of medicine?
 
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Update - things seemed like they were getting better for a little while (the white seemed to be receding) but as of this evening she's fully white all over. My friend describes the texture as 'dry, like sandpaper'. Her belly is perfectly normal, though - slimy as ever. She's also quite sluggish now, which I feel can't be a good sign. Could one of the other fish be eating the slime coat off of her? The only culprits I can think of are the bristlenose pleco she shares the tank with and possibly a small rainbow shark, who we did see at one point eating what we thought were worms off of her scales (now I'm not so sure, though...).

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Yes please get water tested so we can further assist you.
I let him know; we should have a full water test by tomorrow. For now we're still going off the indicator magnet/sticker things.
Usually bichir worms cause patchy areas where it’s attached. A round of GC should be good enough for the bichir worms. I’d suggest increasing the water changes to 50% a weekly. Recheck that water after the water change. What was the medicine for anchor worm? When was the last dose of medicine?
He changed the water by 50% twice over the last three days, as well as swapping out filter cartridges and putting new zeolite/carbon into the canister filter yesterday; his nitrate levels are now reading 'high', though? Also, the medicine was Microbe-Lift Lice and Anchorworm; he stopped using it around the 27th. He's also been dosing with Stress Coat+ for about two weeks now.
 
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It's very likely someone is eating the slime coat off (causing white patch) of the teugelsi. From my experience with bichir worms, using praziquantel should exterminate them with one treatment. As for my experience with anchorworms, my bichirs never had white patches from that. I would try removing the pleco/other tankmate that potentially eat slime coat and see how things go.
 
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