Big eye problem...

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Berg

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Hi everyone,

I got a problem with one of my oscar....
I keep a pair in 90gallons and they seem like being in ''breeding mode''.
Everything was find till the "I guest" female attacked the pleco and hurt is eye on his back spin....

A week has past and now the eye look very bad, the inside turn red-yellow with a white ground....

She didn't stop doing her work and still gard and clean the rock, she's eating really good too.

A friend told me to put methylene blue, to sterelize the wound ....

The only thing I did is keeping the water clean has possible by making daily water change and raise the temp to the mid 80.

Thank you for your help ...

Marc
P.S.: Please excuse my bad english....
 
sounds good to me, if it gets worse then i would reccamend antibiotics
 
Sad thing is, some times fish just piss each other off, and go at it. Usually no harm comes of it to either, but sometimes, as in your case, one can suffer a bad blow. Meth. Blue is a good anti-bacterial, but do note, that not all bacteria is bad, and using this can sometimes kill off some of the good bacteria along with the bad. You would be surprised though, fish have amazing healing abilities, if kept in the best water quality possible. And if the bully doesn't attack again, your fish could recover fine without much intervention from you. The down side is, that if it was a good hit, which it sounds like it might have been, your fish could end up being partially, or fully blind in that eye. It depends on the amount of damage, and if any crutial nerves were severed. If the eye doesn't improve greatly after a few days of treatment, i would suggest paying a visit to your local vet that is equipped to handle aquatic species. Good ones are few and far between, but if you find one, they may recommend an antibiotic cream/gel. It's messy, and require catching your fish for each dose, but they are usually thick gels that stick well to the membranes, and speed recovery. I wouldn't worry right now about the eye injury its self, if your fish is still active, swimming normally (not crashing into things), and has a good appetite. What you need to focus on now, like you said, is preventing any nasty infections. Water changes are good, but don't remove everything, so it's hard to say how much it would actually help to do that. You may want to just seperate your wounded fish from the others to give it a chance to heal in peace. Let me know how it goes.

--Emi
 
Thanks for your quick reply...

I'll see how it goes and remove the pleco from the tank, cause they're always rushing on him....

I'll keep you inform...
Berg
 
That's the weirdest thing i saw....
The past week evrything was going find doing my 10 % water change, feeding my pair everyday both of them showing off like if they always want more.
The eye of the female was going creamy white... a good sign I thought...
But This morning at feeding time ... the eye has a hole right in the middle... looking like in a Alien movie.... like if a worm of a kind of parasite get trough the eye...

I pick her out to check ( easy task with a 12'' oscar... ) and put some methylene blue...

back in the tank... 2 hours later she's acting like if nothing happen....

Any advices, warning, vet adress in Montreal ...
I'm a bit lost and I don't know where to look for help.
So your comment are welcome.

Berg
 
I just saw what I wrote, sorry for all the mistake or synthax errors...
I'll keep working my writting...
Berg
 
Ok, first let me say, that a fish with creamy/white/cloudy eyes, is never a good sign. This is especially true when your fish has already suffered an injury, and the discoloration (cloudiness), has only developed afterwards. From the information you gave me, I have a few ideas as to what might have happened since the injury. But before I go on, I just need to clarify something -- you did remove your injured Oscar from the main tank into an isolation tank right? I hope so. And he/she is still in isolation right?? Please tell me you did not put him/her back into the main tank!??! If you did, move him/her back to islotaion imediatly!
OK- got that off my chest!:) Moving on.............

The first of a few things that came to mind, was pop-eye. Now most of the time people associate this ailment solely with bulging eyes, as that is the most apparent of the disease. However, just because the eyes may not have bulged too extreme, I wouldn't check it off the list just yet. The reason I bring this disease up at all, is because POP-EYE, or Exophthalmia, is a symptom more than a disease in its self, and there is a viriety of things that could trigger this symptom. For instance; not enough water changes, resulting in build up of feces and decaying matter (though this should not apply, as you said you have kept up the water changes), Ichthyophonus ( this is different from Ichthyophthirius, which cause Ich/white spot disease), it is a cataract disease, which often leads to blindness. Also Ichthyosporidium (again, different from "ICH"), this strain is a parasitic fungus. Another "cause" related with pop-eye, is a secondary bacterial infection, parasitic infections caused by eye flukes, or simply metabolic disorders. Most of these "causes" probably do not play a role in your current situation, however, eye flukes may, thus being the reason i even mention pop-eye. Your fish may not have it now, and in truth, may not even develop pop-eye, but if your fish has contracted an infestation of eye flukes (which could be the cause for the hole in your fish's eye), then this is a secondary condition you are going to need to watch out for.

As far as the actual cause of the whiteness to the eye, my guess would be "cloudy eye", which once again, this is most likely a secondary infection (symptom). Usually it is cause by severe stress or trauma to the eyes (which we already know happened). Usually, when a fish develops this condition, if removed from the source of stress/aggression, it will clear in a few days on its own. The problem with this condition however, is that it is most often seen when there has been irritation to the eye (once again, we know this happened), and because of that, the eye becomes more vulnerable to bacterial/fungal infections. Not to mention that sight is obviously impaired, so any obstructions in the tank, can cause even more damage to the infected eye from the fish not being able to see clearly and bump into things. As far as treatment for this condition, I wouldn't suggest, nor deny any medications. Usually, it doesn't require anything other than the fish being in a peaceful, safe area, with great water quality.

Flukes affect the gills and skin of the fish, but can also infect the eyes, especially where an injury is present. Oscars and other big types of cichlids are extremly susseptible to these parasites. If left untreated, they can cause severe secondary infections, and result in total loss of the eye, and may spread (if haven't already) to the rest of the body, spelling disaster.


Its hard to say exactly, without having a picture to refference, but so far, I would say these could be some things you may be dealing with, or may soon see. If you could, please take some pictures of the infected areas so that I can have a visual. Without photos, I am only left to guess from your description. I hope some of this was of some help though, and would be happy to provide more info once you got a picture. I am also going to contact zoodiver, as he may also have some things to add to this ok. Don't stress, and don't stress the fish any more than absolutly necessary.

As far as aquatic vets in your area, I would first suggest checking out the website to the Montreal University at www.medvet.umontreal.ca They have a ton of information pertaining to aquatic studies and so forth. From there, I would suggest contacting the marine directors and asking for referrals to local aquatic vets in your area. They may even have some available to the public right on campus. If you are within driving distance to the campus, I would suggest going there in person -- you always get better help in person, instead of the run-around on the phone, or via e-mail. So check it out, post a pic. and keep me posted to any changes, good or bad. talk to you soon.

--Emi
 
Ok...
Yes she's alone in a tank containing the minimum stuff... She's doing find not shy, eating well...
I'll try to take a pic and post it...(how do I do ? )

Thank you for the link (Montreal University).
I'll keep tou inform
Berg
 
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