great the first person to actually participate in the thread. wll any way ive read zillions of articles and all im getting is 8 inch plus. it seems I will have to raise a monster pictus myself have it be a giant. super krispy water to stimulate some growth a diet consisting of filleted earth worms ) got to the trouble of removing the guts just feed em the skin) and some Hikari massivor lets see how that will make the fishy grow