Blood Parrots info
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I have just been reading more about the history of blood parrots, using translators etc and i may have found something interesting...
The fish they call 'Gold Severum' is not the fish we know as 'Heros Efaciatus' but a separate hybrid they call 'Jin Gang Ying Wu (gold severum)' .
The fish are apparently created using a female true Red Devil and a red head vieja, which the resulting female fry is further bred with a male Midas cichlid, the resulting hybrid third generation fry is known as 'Jin Gang Ying Wu' which is bright yellow or light orange with a nuchal hump (bright red after injection) with a rounded face similar to that of 'heros efaciatus', hence the use of the name.
Jin Gang Ying Wu is a large fish, growing to 25cm and it cannot close its mouth.
The resulting fish/selected male is (a lot of the time) injected with red dye during breeding season and then crossed with a true Red Devil cichlid.
Short bodied fry are then sold as Blood Parrots the rest are culled. (sometimes the Jin Gang Ying Wu is injected with other colours, hence why you get those horrible oddly coloured parrots, however red is more successful as it is a dominant gene between the parents. (what colour do you get if you mix yellow with red?? orange
).
King Kong Parrots are created from a Female Parrot and a male Midas, the female is usually injected with red dye when in season.
Jelly Bean Parrots can be a Female Parrot crossed with a short bodied pink male convict cichlid (fatter brighter slightly bigger type) or they can be just short bodied pink convicts (smaller, dull, not so fat).
This explains everything to me, the colour, the behavior, the fry colour, why the confusion that 'gold severums/heros efaciatus' are in the mix etc
The only thing that does not have a obvious explanation is the weird shaped head, which could be a deformity, as i have seen it in other fish, like Oscars, or it could of been forced by the breeders using elastic bands.
So to put it in short
Red Devil x Vieja Syns = Prototype parrot Breeder
Prototype x Midas = Jin Gang Ying Wu (False Gold Severum)
Jin Gang Ying Wu x Red Devil = Blood Parrot
Blood Parrot x Midas = King Kong Parrot
Blood Parrot x short bodied Pink Convict Cichlid = Jelly Bean Parrot
The fish they call 'Gold Severum' is not the fish we know as 'Heros Efaciatus' but a separate hybrid they call 'Jin Gang Ying Wu (gold severum)' .
The fish are apparently created using a female true Red Devil and a red head vieja, which the resulting female fry is further bred with a male Midas cichlid, the resulting hybrid third generation fry is known as 'Jin Gang Ying Wu' which is bright yellow or light orange with a nuchal hump (bright red after injection) with a rounded face similar to that of 'heros efaciatus', hence the use of the name.
Jin Gang Ying Wu is a large fish, growing to 25cm and it cannot close its mouth.
The resulting fish/selected male is (a lot of the time) injected with red dye during breeding season and then crossed with a true Red Devil cichlid.
Short bodied fry are then sold as Blood Parrots the rest are culled. (sometimes the Jin Gang Ying Wu is injected with other colours, hence why you get those horrible oddly coloured parrots, however red is more successful as it is a dominant gene between the parents. (what colour do you get if you mix yellow with red?? orange
).King Kong Parrots are created from a Female Parrot and a male Midas, the female is usually injected with red dye when in season.
Jelly Bean Parrots can be a Female Parrot crossed with a short bodied pink male convict cichlid (fatter brighter slightly bigger type) or they can be just short bodied pink convicts (smaller, dull, not so fat).
This explains everything to me, the colour, the behavior, the fry colour, why the confusion that 'gold severums/heros efaciatus' are in the mix etc
The only thing that does not have a obvious explanation is the weird shaped head, which could be a deformity, as i have seen it in other fish, like Oscars, or it could of been forced by the breeders using elastic bands.
So to put it in short
Red Devil x Vieja Syns = Prototype parrot Breeder
Prototype x Midas = Jin Gang Ying Wu (False Gold Severum)
Jin Gang Ying Wu x Red Devil = Blood Parrot
Blood Parrot x Midas = King Kong Parrot
Blood Parrot x short bodied Pink Convict Cichlid = Jelly Bean Parrot
"Gang Ying Wu is injected with other colours, hence why you get those horrible oddly coloured parrots, however red is more successful as it is a dominant gene between the parents. (what colour do you get if you mix yellow with red?? orange )."
The injection of any sort of color can not be passed on to the offspring of the parents, the same as people with tattoos do not give birth to tattooed children. Color is passed down through genetics. The oddly colored parrots you are seeing are the result of a horribly cruel process where the fish are dipped in chemicals to strip their slime coat and then artificially dyed.
)."The injection of any sort of color can not be passed on to the offspring of the parents, the same as people with tattoos do not give birth to tattooed children. Color is passed down through genetics. The oddly colored parrots you are seeing are the result of a horribly cruel process where the fish are dipped in chemicals to strip their slime coat and then artificially dyed.
Agreed with above.
I feel critical of whats been said, but Im not one to comment.
is there anymore info that can be added?
I feel critical of whats been said, but Im not one to comment.
is there anymore info that can be added?
Though I would hop in this debate.
I dont believe dyes pumped in the anus of a fish will affect its genetic code. Dyes are only temporary and will only last until the dyes fade. But on the other hand you have to keep the evolution of glowfish in mind. Dyes injected into the embryo of a growing egg geneticlly mutated the fish to be that color after generations of doing this. I dont think this was done with BP's, I think selective breeding created the oranges in these fish. This is the first time Ive heard of this Jin Gang Ying Wu (False Gold Severum).
Plus breeding a fish that has a high demand (that wont breed) is 1 hell of a marketing strategy. Its almost a patent, or secret formula.
Red sevs are a whole different scenario. Arnt gold sevs just xanthism form of Heros severus? Xanthism brings out only red and yellow pigments.
I dont believe dyes pumped in the anus of a fish will affect its genetic code. Dyes are only temporary and will only last until the dyes fade. But on the other hand you have to keep the evolution of glowfish in mind. Dyes injected into the embryo of a growing egg geneticlly mutated the fish to be that color after generations of doing this. I dont think this was done with BP's, I think selective breeding created the oranges in these fish. This is the first time Ive heard of this Jin Gang Ying Wu (False Gold Severum).
Plus breeding a fish that has a high demand (that wont breed) is 1 hell of a marketing strategy. Its almost a patent, or secret formula.
Red sevs are a whole different scenario. Arnt gold sevs just xanthism form of Heros severus? Xanthism brings out only red and yellow pigments.
Remember we only know what we have been told/read, none of us know how they input the dye, i'm just judging by stuff i have researched and it makes the most sense yet.
I'm not for one minute saying this is 100% accurate, but nobody really has any grounds to say otherwise.
A lot of things said about these fish is very far fetched, but 90% of what i have read/wrote makes a lot of sense to me, in fact a lot of it is common sense.
Injecting Dye whilst eggs are being ovulated inside the female makes perfect sense, anyone who has got kids/gone to midwife appointments woudl tell you that stuff consumed by the mother, including alcohol and ciggarettes (drugs) can affect the child.
Tattooing is another matter altogether and a completley different process/chemical than what is used for dying.
Tattoo = ink etched onto the surface after the slime coat has been removed.
Dye = internal injection of DYE not INK affecting pigmentation, but alos internal organs etc.
Again i'm only as clued up on this as i have read here, on google, by breeders etc so i'm not 100% on my statements, and again maby me probing this might create a interesting debate
The number 1 priority for me is to educate people on the fact HEROS is not a part of the parrot lineage, and nor could it ever be.
I'm not for one minute saying this is 100% accurate, but nobody really has any grounds to say otherwise.
A lot of things said about these fish is very far fetched, but 90% of what i have read/wrote makes a lot of sense to me, in fact a lot of it is common sense.
Injecting Dye whilst eggs are being ovulated inside the female makes perfect sense, anyone who has got kids/gone to midwife appointments woudl tell you that stuff consumed by the mother, including alcohol and ciggarettes (drugs) can affect the child.
Tattooing is another matter altogether and a completley different process/chemical than what is used for dying.
Tattoo = ink etched onto the surface after the slime coat has been removed.
Dye = internal injection of DYE not INK affecting pigmentation, but alos internal organs etc.
Again i'm only as clued up on this as i have read here, on google, by breeders etc so i'm not 100% on my statements, and again maby me probing this might create a interesting debate
The number 1 priority for me is to educate people on the fact HEROS is not a part of the parrot lineage, and nor could it ever be.
FishingOut;4384487; said:
Again ture Severums are not to do with this, other than my point that there is sterility issues with fancy severums (golds, reds), this was a point made by myself as a scenario similar to the blood parrots being sterile had they not been a hybrid at all.
And nope they are not Heros Severus, 100% of common Severums in the trade are mongrel interbred species of 'Heros Efaciatus' (greens, golds, reds all can max out at 12").
Heros Severus (mouth brooding severum) is the elusive mouth brooding Severum that is rarely seen,this severum is a 8" max fish that is more streamline, a cream colour with red/green spots.
Heros sp. Notatus (spotted severum) are similar to Efaciatus, and probably bred into the mutts we see in the LFS's, they are a large Severum (up to 12") with black small spots on a gright metallic green background.
Heros Sp. Rotkeil (red shoulder/neck severum) are a smaller type of Severum, very similar in looks to the Green Severum but with a red collar, they grow to a max 8"
Of course there are tons more being pulled out of the amazon all the time.
The 'Gold Severum' in this thread is in no way a 'severum, or a heros' it is merley what the taiwan breeders call there south American mutt between Red Devil, Midas and Vieja Syns, because it has similarity's in shape, size and colour to the true 'Gold Severum' from south America.
If you still need some anecdotal evidence of the vieja blood in blood parrots:
I have a fish I got for 35 cents, it was a cull from a blood parrot farm that they were selling to walmart. Basically, it is a short bodied fish, which from the head back resembles a blood parrot. Its head however is a typical fish head - like a midas. It currently still has the midas juvie colouration, but has the spangling on its tail of a synspillum, and is getting a red throat and belly. My theory is that it's a backward cross of some combination of midas and synspillum and was thus culled. More evidence is in the fact that the blood parrot colours resemble that of a super red syns more than that of an orange midas
I have a fish I got for 35 cents, it was a cull from a blood parrot farm that they were selling to walmart. Basically, it is a short bodied fish, which from the head back resembles a blood parrot. Its head however is a typical fish head - like a midas. It currently still has the midas juvie colouration, but has the spangling on its tail of a synspillum, and is getting a red throat and belly. My theory is that it's a backward cross of some combination of midas and synspillum and was thus culled. More evidence is in the fact that the blood parrot colours resemble that of a super red syns more than that of an orange midas
The body shape is obviously a result of the dwarfism gene (obvious at least to me).
It was line bred for a higher percentage of babies to have this deformity, in exactly the same process that gives us 'baloon mollies" and yes, balloon oscars. I have even seen a few JD's with this deformity, it is present and a common deformity in most species of fish as far as i can figure, it just never got a hold on the gene pool in the wild because it makes the fish slower and makes it more difficult for the fish to find food, etcetera.
It was line bred for a higher percentage of babies to have this deformity, in exactly the same process that gives us 'baloon mollies" and yes, balloon oscars. I have even seen a few JD's with this deformity, it is present and a common deformity in most species of fish as far as i can figure, it just never got a hold on the gene pool in the wild because it makes the fish slower and makes it more difficult for the fish to find food, etcetera.
