There out there I'm sure. Same as the xingu. You can bet if there is that much hype about them someone with big bucks will "do what it takes" to get their hands on them. When the ban was on the black rays and BD's, people were "somehow" managing to get them. I'm sure these forums are followed closely to see what comments and interest are out there now that the black ray market has softened. There are a lot of ray keepers out there with big tanks that are looking for something "new" or "different".

