bought these midas for $2 lol

[flowerhornfishman]

Regardless of anything else nice fish for two bucks. The larger fish has the classic rounded cit. beak.

thaanks yeah, two bucks for both of them.. so tht's one buck each fish haha yeaah, ive been dealing with the old lady for quite a long time now.. ive seen her selling some red devil with bright color but didnt managed to buy it.. ive bought a few plecos from her in the past yrs and this yr i bought a 4 juvenile jguar cichlids from her about $3 for all of them... guess tht she sells them cheap because she breeds them in the pond..
here's the jaguar tht she sells.. i bought some and release them in the pond but ive nver seen them since them even when feeding.. guess tht they died prbbly..


correct me if im wrong.. it looks like a jaguar but i dont know.. they call it the Tiger Tilapia haha

 

[ehh]

Oh boo-hoo-hoo. lol

What are we here exactly, a bunch of little school girls discussing our favourite rainbow stickers?


That wasn't me being disrespectful, that was me attempting to inject some common sense into AG's head, someone who considers any fish that even remotely resembles a citrinenellus, a midas. It's a pet peeve of mine, and its that exact type of attitude, that being a failure to accept any of the science from the past 50 yrs, that continues the hybridizing of these two great species in captivity. (labiatus x citrinellus)

That cavalier attitude is what's disrespectful to me personally, and I would hope the vast majority of MFK members who take this hobby seriously would think likewise.

I understand what you were doing but people who are serious about the hobby will learn with time. No need to attack them and tell them to use their brain cells or whatever you said. Most people can't grasp the difference between a red devil and midas let alone a hybrid of the two. The midevil might not ring any bells. I have a midevil and didn't know about midevils until months after I had it.
Just saying you came off a little stronger than you needed to.




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[RD.]

This is where reading comprehension skills come in handy, so people don't misread what's being said, and to whom.

For the record, I have absolutely no issue with anyone keeping hybrid fish, including midevils. In fact, one of my all time favourite fish over the many years that I have been in this hobby was a midevil. I am happy for the OP, they look like nice fish, and at a great price. Who could argue with that?

But if one is going to keep hybrids, they should do so responsibly, in an educated manner, with the understanding of exactly what they are keeping, and in this case breeding. My initial comment to the OP carried a simple message, and was only posted as he/she had originally been posting pics of his "midas" in the flowerhorn section. I assume from his various posts that he/she is a young person, and/or new to this hobby.

At the same time we had another new member, Cichlidshady, posting here asking about their new "midas", and PMing me asking me to ID their fish. I posted here exactly what I PM'd them. Again, in the attempt to EDUCATE these new members, not feed them a bunch of rubbish, or simply say "nice fish". At least I'm willing to take the time to do that, apparently most people aren't.

Which is also why I posted the following comment in the "quality midas" discussion when another member brought up this same midevil issue -

And the reason for that is so that history doesn't keep repeating itself, which is generally a good thing. Ignorance is only bliss in the mind of an idiot.

The OP as well as others knew exactly what I was saying, and why.

The person that I directed the now quoted comment at also knows exactly what I am saying, and why I said it to him in the manner that I did. This isn't my first rodeo, and this isn't the first time I have read those kind of comments from that source. This is the same person who just a few days ago in another discussion on A. xiloaensis stated:

"Xilos are Midas that goes to white. I know the hobby and it's ppl that wants to find something new making it all complicated than it should be because they are desperate for more variety in pure breeds."

Which is about as far fetched as most everything else that he states regarding the midas complex. Those kinds of comments don't help people that are new to this hobby, and as you stated "can't grasp the difference between a red devil and midas let alone a hybrid of the two. " Is this so difficult to understand? Do we ignore misinformation, and applaud stupidity here now?

I don't award stupidity, if that's a crime I'm guilty as charged.

If anyone else wants a kick at the can send me a PM, I'm not going to continue this conversation in this discussion.

To the OP, sorry for the derail, enjoy your fish.

 

[flowerhornfishman]

hey guys, so i was observing my pond today while feeding them.. so there were my midas i thnk i have 6 of em.. then, as i observed i found out tht there is one midas tht is very red than the other 5 midas.. the red midas was about 4-5" i thnk.. i didnt remember buying a red midas bfore this.. any explanantion to this guys? why is it so red? thanks in advance

 

[Montelboom]

Im not that knowledgeable about midas/red devils but I know with goldfish their color becomes more red due to sunlight, a change in diet and a bunch of other factors but I don't know if that'd be the case here

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[gutted]

It's because of the sun. The sun brings out the best colors in fish.

On a side note. They should be considered hybrid red devil midas just because they weren't bought from a reputable importer. There's plenty of red devils that have the short midas and plenty of midas that have the pointy red devil face. Guessing what they are from looks is impossible. This topic has been covered week in and week out. I'm not tying to attack the OP because they didn't know but we just need to get the word out so this because common knowledge like how keeping goldfish in bowls is bad.

The last part of RDs statement was a little harsh but everything before that makes total sense. I've always thought that RD can be a d*ck but he's just blunt and he has a wealth of info.

BTW there's nothing wrong with hybrids its just that we need to label them as that. That's what gives hybrid owners bad names.

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[that_fish_Guy]

It's because of the sun. The sun brings out the best colors in fish.

On a side note. They should be considered hybrid red devil midas just because they weren't bought from a reputable importer. There's plenty of red devils that have the short midas and plenty of midas that have the pointy red devil face. Guessing what they are from looks is impossible. This topic has been covered week in and week out. I'm not tying to attack the OP because they didn't know but we just need to get the word out so this because common knowledge like how keeping goldfish in bowls is bad.

The last part of RDs statement was a little harsh but everything before that makes total sense. I've always thought that RD can be a d*ck but he's just blunt and he has a wealth of info.

BTW there's nothing wrong with hybrids its just that we need to label them as that. That's what gives hybrid owners bad names.

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+1 that's the whole reason why midas and red devils became hard to decipher to begin with. Too many people back in the day bred the two readily not really knowing which was which which and sold the offspring of the two species of amph's irresponsibly which caused a whole lot of confusion and you had hybrids being sold as pure red devils or pure midas. So if you truly do not know the source even if they have a chance of maybe being pure, Without evidence of genetics or documentation the responsible thing to do as a fish keeper is to label it a hybrid. Even if there is a chance it could be pure, without evidence consider it a hybrid. This was not intended to target the OP it's for the thread in general explaining WHY people are getting so fussed over why NOT to call a fish a pure midas or a pure red devil if there is no actual confirmation or evidence of genetics or origin. So this thread offers some good learning information and some insight for all of us. Regardless the OP scored some nice fish and so far I haven't seen anyone deny him that so @ the OP enjoy your fish just make sure if you ever breed or sell them it's the responsible thing to label the fish or offspring as hybrids not pure midas or pure red devil Enjoy.

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[flowerhornfishman]

Im not that knowledgeable about midas/red devils but I know with goldfish their color becomes more red due to sunlight, a change in diet and a bunch of other factors but I don't know if that'd be the case here

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yeahh, but the weird thing is my other 4midas are lightly whitish-orange colored.. prbbly a red devil x midas hybrid perhaps...

 

[flowerhornfishman]

+1 that's the whole reason why midas and red devils became hard to decipher to begin with. Too many people back in the day bred the two readily not really knowing which was which which and sold the offspring of the two species of amph's irresponsibly which caused a whole lot of confusion and you had hybrids being sold as pure red devils or pure midas. So if you truly do not know the source even if they have a chance of maybe being pure, Without evidence of genetics or documentation the responsible thing to do as a fish keeper is to label it a hybrid. Even if there is a chance it could be pure, without evidence consider it a hybrid. This was not intended to target the OP it's for the thread in general explaining WHY people are getting so fussed over why NOT to call a fish a pure midas or a pure red devil if there is no actual confirmation or evidence of genetics or origin. So this thread offers some good learning information and some insight for all of us. Regardless the OP scored some nice fish and so far I haven't seen anyone deny him that so @ the OP enjoy your fish just make sure if you ever breed or sell them it's the responsible thing to label the fish or offspring as hybrids not pure midas or pure red devil Enjoy.

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It's because of the sun. The sun brings out the best colors in fish.

On a side note. They should be considered hybrid red devil midas just because they weren't bought from a reputable importer. There's plenty of red devils that have the short midas and plenty of midas that have the pointy red devil face. Guessing what they are from looks is impossible. This topic has been covered week in and week out. I'm not tying to attack the OP because they didn't know but we just need to get the word out so this because common knowledge like how keeping goldfish in bowls is bad.

The last part of RDs statement was a little harsh but everything before that makes total sense. I've always thought that RD can be a d*ck but he's just blunt and he has a wealth of info.

BTW there's nothing wrong with hybrids its just that we need to label them as that. That's what gives hybrid owners bad names.

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thanks for the explanation guys.. i nver did assumed tht the fish i bought were pure midas.. frm what i see, i just see a midas.. im quite familiar to them btw.. and you guys are right, RD stated what is true and i respect tht .. and if i do planning to sell the fries i would listed them as midas but not pure.. besides, there are less interests on fishkeeping here.. people here dont even know what a midas is.. if a fish grows hump, they would see them as flowerhorns lol i would keep an update on my "midas" and see what they would look like to u guys.. look at the bright side, i save the fish for $2.. wouldnt be more happier than tht

 

[FriedFlowerHornFillet]

.. and if i do planning to sell the fries i would listed them as midas but not pure..

I would recommend just labeling them Midevils or hybrid Midas instead just avoid confusion.
-Btw the red one, is he the biggest?
food is also a factor sometimes and he might be the first to get the jump on bugs that land on the surface