BP oil leak victims
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So much for Obama's "transparancy"!
Can anyone answer a few questions for me not being made clear by the media that I have access to?
1. What exactly "exploded"?
2. What is meant when we are told a "mile" deep? Does this mean over 5,000 feet from the water surface to the guld sea bed, or does this include the depth of the "well" underground?
3. If the "mile" is to the seabed, then this structure is large enough to contain over four world trade centers. We are aware that it required a very precise explosion from a 747 jet that HAD to be FULL of rocket fuel to acomplish the destruction. What could have caused the "explosion" with the magnitude to bring down a structure four times the size of the world trade center that is specifically built to withstand the incredible power of the sea itself? Sorry, I do not buy that some worker who passed wind while smoking a ciggy caused this!!
4. I was always under the impression that oil was pumped up to the surface. On land, you always see a structure that looks like a giant rocker arm moving up and down to "extract" the oil from the earth. If it is pressure from the earth itself that forces the oil up, then why is this not an incredibly common occurance in the worlds oceans? The earth is 75% covered with water and over 90% of the earths volcanic activity occurs below water. If pressure is what forces the oil up, then how does a volcano that forced magma from the liquid core of the planet (far below the level where oil resides) NOT cause this? Heck Krackatoa blew so hard that it blotted out the sun for a decade in the in the first millenium AD and no oil??? Undersea earthquakes with power measure on the richter scale can open city sized rifts on the sea floor and spur enormous tsunami's and yet again NO OIL!
5. If Earth does provide the "force" power to bring the oil to the surface, then what is the need/ requirment for the "human made" power source that exploded with the magnitude to bring down this structure four times the size of the world trade center to be contained in the oil well?
6. Lastly, Operation Desert Storm gave us a direct look into some terrorist activity. The first thing that the Iraq forces did in Quatar was to "blow up" the oil fields to distract the opposition to "dealing" with the repair of them. If all that is required to cause this type of devastation in deep sea oil rig is a combination of a fart and a cigerette, are we already doomed?
Can anyone answer a few questions for me not being made clear by the media that I have access to?
1. What exactly "exploded"?
2. What is meant when we are told a "mile" deep? Does this mean over 5,000 feet from the water surface to the guld sea bed, or does this include the depth of the "well" underground?
3. If the "mile" is to the seabed, then this structure is large enough to contain over four world trade centers. We are aware that it required a very precise explosion from a 747 jet that HAD to be FULL of rocket fuel to acomplish the destruction. What could have caused the "explosion" with the magnitude to bring down a structure four times the size of the world trade center that is specifically built to withstand the incredible power of the sea itself? Sorry, I do not buy that some worker who passed wind while smoking a ciggy caused this!!
4. I was always under the impression that oil was pumped up to the surface. On land, you always see a structure that looks like a giant rocker arm moving up and down to "extract" the oil from the earth. If it is pressure from the earth itself that forces the oil up, then why is this not an incredibly common occurance in the worlds oceans? The earth is 75% covered with water and over 90% of the earths volcanic activity occurs below water. If pressure is what forces the oil up, then how does a volcano that forced magma from the liquid core of the planet (far below the level where oil resides) NOT cause this? Heck Krackatoa blew so hard that it blotted out the sun for a decade in the in the first millenium AD and no oil??? Undersea earthquakes with power measure on the richter scale can open city sized rifts on the sea floor and spur enormous tsunami's and yet again NO OIL!
5. If Earth does provide the "force" power to bring the oil to the surface, then what is the need/ requirment for the "human made" power source that exploded with the magnitude to bring down this structure four times the size of the world trade center to be contained in the oil well?
6. Lastly, Operation Desert Storm gave us a direct look into some terrorist activity. The first thing that the Iraq forces did in Quatar was to "blow up" the oil fields to distract the opposition to "dealing" with the repair of them. If all that is required to cause this type of devastation in deep sea oil rig is a combination of a fart and a cigerette, are we already doomed?
Every company's #1 goal is profit, no doubt. I can understand and accept that. And I can understand and accept that accidents happen. But when you have so many safety violations, you fail to implement safety equipment, and you push away people that might be able to help...it dosen't help paint a pretty picture in my eyes.nc_nutcase;4202441; said:BP didn't do anything that all the other oil companies didn't also do. BP just happened to own the rig that experienced the major mishap.
Now, the news can certainly be biased, but it seems to have come to light that BP didn't take appropriate measures to prevent this from happening, such as with the remote shut offs. From http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bps-dismal-safety-record/story?id=10763042
"OSHA statistics show BP ran up 760 "egregious, willful" safety violations, while Sunoco and Conoco-Phillips each had eight, Citgo had two and Exxon had one comparable citation. "
I don't feel much pity for them, honestly. They actually paid $373 million to avoid being prosecuted...I will admit that is a government/OSHA fail, they shouldn't have let them get away with that.
Another story: http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2010/05/17
"Of those, 760 were classified as "egregious willful" and 69 were classified as "willful." Thirty of the BP citations were deemed "serious" and three were unclassified. Virtually all of the citations were for alleged violations of OSHA's process safety management standard, a sweeping rule governing everything from storage of flammable liquids to emergency shutdown systems. BP accounted for 829 of the 851 willful violations among all refiners cited by OSHA during the period analyzed by the Center."
The 'oil leak' is a couple thousand feet under water and is spewing at tremendous pressure. The human race lacks the full techknowledgy to stop it. But they are trying everything within their grasp and have offered to pay anyone in the world for additinoal solutions.
Agreed...although, did you see the whole James Cameron thing? He offered to help, and was turned down by BP. Maybe they had good reasoning, but they haven't said. With all of his contacts, knowledge, and the equipment he has built for deep sea stuff, you would think they would at least attempt to "use him" in some way or sit him down with their scientists.
You say this as if the CEO's created a devious plan to pollute the gulf.
The industry poorly functions with loop holes for such tragedies. The industry needs to be cleansed of it's corruption and held to a standard that is possible and profitable to abide by while also preventing such horrible dissasters.
Definitely, there needs to be mandatory regulations, including certain equipment and procedures to avoid this happening again. Although, once again, BP wrote a letter to MMS stating there wasn't a need for mandatory regulations, that the voluntary ones were working just fine.
screaminleeman;4204382; said:
Have they said how many miles off the coast the oil spill is? I believe US waters extend 24 miles out from the coast. No matter, BP owns and sells to a lot of gas stations in the US. Heck I even have "We recommend BP oil" on my car's gas cap.
if its a leaking pipe why not just stick a massive bladder in there then pump it full of something plugging the hole ?
im confused to what the big problem is with sealing some pipe
im confused to what the big problem is with sealing some pipe
come on guys, they are trying, although it does seem like its taking forever, the depth the oil leak is at makes things a little more difficult than say, an oil leak in even 100 feet of water. while it is true the oil is spewing out at a ridiculous rate, its also true you can't just tackle a problem like this without a well thought out plan
frasertheking;4204530; said:
Read back in the thread to what NC_nutcase wrote. It is a complex engineering problem. The pressure and rate of flow, amongst the depth it is at etc make it more than just some plumber sealing off your burst water main.
SteveR;4204595; said:Read back in the thread to what NC_nutcase wrote. It is a complex engineering problem. The pressure and rate of flow, amongst the depth it is at etc make it more than just some plumber sealing off your burst water main.
well im sure my plan would work just needs a bit of extra work
give me a blank check and 2 weeks id have that thing plugged