Brazil pleco ban

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invisyblegypsey;1711608; said:
what these pin heads realy need to ban is the wholsale distruction of the rain forrest
so that the fish and animals that depend on it not to metion 2/3's o the worlds oxygen supply

indeed!
 
Funny, because some high profile fishes seem to disagree with you.

Just for kicks, let's say, celestichys (possibly danio) margaritatus.

If you think about it for a second, any removal of any animal is going to pressure on the population. While in a large, fecundous (word?) population of fishes, this pressure is unmarked, it is still there.
 
It is funny, since the ponds of Lake Inle, home to the celestichys (possibly danio) margaritatus, is NOT in South America or the Amazon river system. Its a bunch of small puddles in Asia. Apples and Oranges here, COL. Besides, I doubt IBAMA will try and regulate there. It would probably be more helpful to the species, which, I agree are being exploited. Good thing they are breeding in captivity...
 
"It is funny, since the ponds of Lake Inle, home to the celestichys (possibly danio) margaritatus, is NOT in South America or the Amazon river system. Its a bunch of small puddles in Asia. Apples and Oranges here, COL. "

It's not quite as funny as you envisioned, although it is totally applicable [read: what are you talking about]?
The underlying factor here is the ephemerality of certain habitats that are easily exploited by the trade. The only differences between Lake Inle "vernal" pools and say, the charcas of the great south american floodplains are water parameters. And besides, the thrust of the argument was that human harvesting activities--trade related, of course CAN cause population decline. So, might I ask, exactly what apples and what oranges do you speak of?



"Good thing they are breeding in captivity..."

Not to any great commercial extent-at least not yet. But who the hell cares, because IBAMA-esque institutions are not out to save the fish in the trade-they want to keep them circulating in the wild.

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knobhill;1711571;1711571 said:
Not according to Heiko Bleher, read through this thread: http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?t=61656

while it doesn't directly mention plecos, it relates to all the fish caught in the South America, Brazil in particular.
That is one of the silliest comments I've heard. Removing a wild fish from the wild will have an OBVIOUS direct impact on the wild population. Consider the volume at which many species are sold in the hobby, and then consider for losses as many fish die in transport from SA to NA.

You spoke of apples and oranges, yet you yourself are pointing out the oranges. Domestic discus do not occur in the wild. Populations of them in the trade are completely removed from the wild, as they are no longer the same fish. Discus are readily bred in aquaria, while plecos are not. Very few of the different species of pleco have even been kept wide spread, forget breeding them.
 
obviously removing a fish from the wild would have a direct affect on the population, that is just common sense. But you must consider how great of an affect on the populations pollution and destruction or modification of habitat has on species. Stopping export is not going to solve the problem it may help a little but it's still ignoring a large problem. besides if we want to be able to improve the hobby and move towards captive breeding researchers and aquarists have to get specimens somewhere
 
invisyblegypsey;1711608; said:
what these pin heads realy need to ban is the wholsale distruction of the rain forrest
so that the fish and animals that depend on it not to metion 2/3's o the worlds oxygen supply

it will never happen though :(
 
well that sucks I was really looking at a L-134 I'm sure if I were to find the price would be more than I'd want to pay.
 
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