Breeding
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I have a few words. First most of the primary ball python morphs have actually been originated from wild animals and then propagated in captivity. Morphs created in captivity are mostly combo morphs between diferent traits to make colorfull animals. Its funny people often talk about "artificia selectionl"when actually most originated in the wild. Diferent color forms then "normal" ball pythons do make a small normal porporcion of wild populations and more should be found in the years to come.
Next thing to think about. Recently I read a paper on the origin and dispersal of Cyclura iguanas. It seems most colonization of islands were made by a SINGLE gravid female iguana or a few animals at the most, and these despite "higly inbred" not only trived but gave origin to new species of iguana. More genetic variability was reached true time. It seems "line breeding" is all to natural, if made for traits that increase survival and weeding out less fit animals.
Next thing to think about. Recently I read a paper on the origin and dispersal of Cyclura iguanas. It seems most colonization of islands were made by a SINGLE gravid female iguana or a few animals at the most, and these despite "higly inbred" not only trived but gave origin to new species of iguana. More genetic variability was reached true time. It seems "line breeding" is all to natural, if made for traits that increase survival and weeding out less fit animals.
coura;4635611; said:
I believe that "bottle necking" needs a few individuals and not just one family to survive successfully. I really dislike the crazy ball python morphs because I feel like they have gone too far with it and that they will ruin the genetics of these animals. For instance, some snakes are so inbred that they are showing physical signs of it such as head wobble or bug eyes. They cannot endure endless inbreeding. It simply cannot happen. The individuals will become weaker and weaker until they are too feeble for the common person to care for.
Sorry. Rant over. I like some albinos but otherwise, I stick with the natural pattern that is much more beautiful than a calico-pinstripe-clown-super pastel-reverse paradox albino- killer bee- axanthic- granite- blue balled ball python...
snakeguy101;4636259; said:I believe that "bottle necking" needs a few individuals and not just one family to survive successfully. I really dislike the crazy ball python morphs because I feel like they have gone too far with it and that they will ruin the genetics of these animals. For instance, some snakes are so inbred that they are showing physical signs of it such as head wobble or bug eyes. They cannot endure endless inbreeding. It simply cannot happen. The individuals will become weaker and weaker until they are too feeble for the common person to care for.
Sorry. Rant over. I like some albinos but otherwise, I stick with the natural pattern that is much more beautiful than a calico-pinstripe-clown-super pastel-reverse paradox albino- killer bee- axanthic- granite- blue balled ball python...
How can you "ruin" the genetics of these animals? Most of what you see as "flaws", are actually associated with the gene and not because of inbreeding...........
Spiders = wobbles
Caramels = kinks
They've been outbred six ways to Sunday..........
And yes, I have seen plenty of normal Ball Pythons with the same issues........It happens, and the animals don't have to be "inbred" to have the same genetic issues.......
EricIvins;4636366; said:
but if it were not for inbreeding these traits would not be so prevalent because there would not be spiders or caramels or whatever. Am I the only one that thinks that knowingly giving a clutch a genetic disfigurement such as kinks is not okay?
Maybe I am just fed up with the ball pythons. There are just too many of them.
There really are too many haha but I would just like to attempt to make some sort of cool morph on my own! i have a really bright orange pastel with alot of black feckle and flames 
. not sure what to breed him with though =/. I have friends with access to quite afew morphs so I've got a wide variety to choose from I just don't know what.
. not sure what to breed him with though =/. I have friends with access to quite afew morphs so I've got a wide variety to choose from I just don't know what.snakeguy101;4636439; said:
Spiders are a dominate trait.......Caramels are simple recessive........
Both have been outbred 6 ways to Sunday.......The traits they are pre-disposed to cannot be bred out of them.......
"Genetic disfigurement" as in how?........The founder animals were all collected as Adults........Collected with those same "disfigurements".....They seem to do pretty well if they're growing up over in Africa.....
EricIvins;4637224; said:
Genetic disfigurements as in the kinks and wobbles that YOU pointed out. There is a reason that these traits don't last in the wild. THEY MAKE THE ANIMAL WEAKER and inbreeding is only going to further the deterioration by passing on rare recessive disorders.
Getting back on topic, Op, if you want to breed a pair that is fine I am looking at the big picture of the mass breeders that charge insane prices for something that is messed up.
You expressed an interest in panda pieds so I dug this up for you:
I don't know what makes this snake worth $18,000 because to me, the $10 normal balls are much more attractive.
I'd really love to get a leucistic. but to get there i might just get a mojave and breed it with another from a different clutch. we'll see what happens though! because I'd have to find another person's mojave to breed it with
