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jason longboard

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Please give me as much info as you can as far as brown recluse being able to be in cali.My girlfriend thinks its all bs and ppl are getting bit by something else that does the same damadge since they never can proove with a specimen,suposedly.How could it not be easy for them to get imported here?Please help,if Im wrong then I still wont beleive you,lol.:popcorn:
 
so she thinks there are no brown recluses in Cali?? i for one have seen several of these spiders. saw one in my home about a year ago...
 
How's this, Jason?


"Brown recluse bite" has become medical shorthand for "this patient has a mysterious sore or lesion." In such areas as the Pacific coast states, it is safe to say that 100% of these reports are errors, and the vast majority (80-95%, depending on locality) are not spider bite cases of any kind. It goes with the almost universally believed superstition, "if you didn't see what bit you, it was a spider." In reality, a variety of medical conditions (see this article, also this one) cause these mystery lesions, including lymphatic disorders, fungal infections, and delayed-hypersensitivity allergic reactions; in addition to bites of ticks and other bloodsucking arthropods.

For a detailed analysis of the "bite" misdiagnosis problem in California, which has reached major proportions, see Rick Vetter's excellent web page: Myth of the Brown Recluse. A list of publications in medical journals on the epidemic of "brown recluse" misdiagnosis is available on request. Another brown recluse myth follows.

The "Brown Recluse bite" myth is closely linked to the rise of Methamphetamine use. Addicts often have ulcerated sores/lesions that don't heal properly. Rather than blame the toxic substances they're putting in their bodies, they look to blame an imaginary (at least on the West Coast) spider!
 
i found this. the spiders ive seen very closely resembly a brown recluse but apparently its a different type of recluse spider...

http://cecalaveras.ucdavis.edu/brs.htm

If asked to name all the spiders they are familiar with, most Californians would have a short list: tarantula, black widow, and brown recluse. Tarantulas are well known because of their large, intimidating size and their use in many movies as eight-legged villains. Black Widows are very common throughout the state, are potentially dangerous, and are easily identifiable by their shiny black body color and red hourglass on the belly. The brown recluse, however, is an enigma: there are no populations of the brown recluse Loxosceles reclusa, in the state and fewer than 10 verified specimens have been collected over several decades in California. Yet people frequently relate stories in which they or someone they know was supposedly bitten by a brown recluse in California

IDENTIFICATION
The most definitive physical feature of recluse spiders is their eyes. Most spiders have eight eyes that typically are arranged in two rows of four but recluse spiders have six equal-sized eyes arranged in three pairs, called dyads. Many publications refer to the violin on the dorsal surface of the thorax as the most important diagnostic feature. In addition, the abdomens of all recluses are covered with fine hairs and are uniformly colored, although the coloration can vary from light tan to dark brown, depending on what they have eaten. There is never a coloration pattern on the abdomen. Finally, the legs are similarly covered with fine hairs whereas many non-recluse spiders have stout spines on their legs.

AMERICAN RECLUSE SPIDERS
Although the brown recluse does not live in California, we do have four species of native recluse spiders. The most common Californian recluse spider is the desert recluse, L. deserta. It is found mostly in the Sonoran and Mojave deserts, in the foothills of the lower San Joaquin Valley, and in adjacent areas of Mexico, all of which are sparsely populated by humans.

Life History Characteristics
Recluse spiders, as their name implies, are reclusive. These nocturnal spiders emerge from their retreats at night and actively hunt down prey or may wait for prey to land in the small area several inches from their retreat. Although they do not build webs to capture prey, they do use silk to build a retreat in which they hide during the day. As dawn approaches, they may seek shelter in dark places such as clothing or shoes. Also, mature males roam in search of females. It is these two behaviors that can bring them into contact with people.

In nature, recluses are found in cracks and crevices in and under rocks. Recluses have very much benefited from human-altered environments where they are readily found under trash cans, plywood, tarps, or rubber tires, in boxes, etc. They are synanthropic (found in association with humans) and therefore are considered a "house" spider. In fact, in South America the recluse species have common names that translate as "the spider behind the picture" or "the spider in the corner."

Recluse spiders are relatively long lived. Among the various species, they mature after about 1 year and average a 2- to 4-year life span with some living more than 7 years under laboratory conditions. They are also well known for surviving long periods (6-12 months) without food before perishing.

MEDICAL MISDIAGNOSES
One reason for the great "awareness" of the recluse spiders throughout the United States is that necrotic wounds are misdiagnosed as "brown recluse bites." Although recluses can cause these wounds, the biological data involving the distribution of the spider indicate that most of these diagnoses are incorrect. A world-renowned toxicology physician who worked at University of Southern California Medical Center estimates that most spider bites in California referred to him were actually the work of other arthropods and that 60% of "brown recluse spider bite" diagnoses came from areas where no Loxosceles spiders were known to exist. Nationwide, some "brown recluse bites" were subsequently correctly diagnosed as Staphylococcus infection, Streptococcus ("flesh-eating bacteria") infection, Lyme disease, herpes simplex, diabetic ulcer, or bites from bedbugs, mites, ticks, small wasps, biting flies, or other spiders.

CONTROL
Typically, pesticide control of spiders is difficult unless you actually see the spider and are able to spray it. There are various insecticides available in retail outlets labeled for spider control. It is just as easy and much less toxic to crush the spider with a rolled up newspaper or your shoe. You can also remove a spider from your home by placing a jar over it and slipping a piece of paper under the jar that then seals off the opening of the jar when it is lifted up. If you plan to send the spider to an expert for identification, try to keep it in an undamaged condition because a crushed specimen may be difficult to identify.
 
well just tell me this,if the spider is out of state and is in a furnerature box or some lumber and the ppl here are unloading or stacking the wood or other construction suplies could it not bite them?Or if someone out of state has them on their car and drives here,then they get in his garage and then whamo.Isnt any of this possible?I havnt read all your info yet and links wich by the way thanks for all the time you guys took.But can you give me a yes or no on this question?
 
jason longboard;1831883; said:
well just tell me this,if the spider is out of state and is in a furnerature box or some lumber and the ppl here are unloading or stacking the wood or other construction suplies could it not bite them?Or if someone out of state has them on their car and drives here,then they get in his garage and then whamo.Isnt any of this possible?I havnt read all your info yet and links wich by the way thanks for all the time you guys took.But can you give me a yes or no on this question?

Jason, IT IS A MYTH! Even in their native range, they are not all that dangerous. (No offense to anyone who HAS been bitten)

Read this: (Published by an entomologist at UC Riverside)

One amazing story is an 8th grade teacher in Oklahoma checking up on his students avidly collecting material by some loose bricks around a flagpole on an insect collecting trip. In about 7 minutes, 8 students collected 60 brown recluses, picking them all up with their fingers and not one kid suffered a bite. An even more amazing story is that of a woman in Lenexa, Kansas who collected 2,055 brown recluse spiders in 6 months in 1850s-built home. This family of 4 has been living there 8 years now and still not one evident bite. (see Vetter and Barger 2002, Journal of Medical Entomology 39: 948-951).
 
Dan Feller;1831925; said:
Jason, IT IS A MYTH! Even in their native range, they are not all that dangerous. (No offense to anyone who HAS been bitten)

Read this: (Published by an entomologist at UC Riverside)

One amazing story is an 8th grade teacher in Oklahoma checking up on his students avidly collecting material by some loose bricks around a flagpole on an insect collecting trip. In about 7 minutes, 8 students collected 60 brown recluses, picking them all up with their fingers and not one kid suffered a bite. An even more amazing story is that of a woman in Lenexa, Kansas who collected 2,055 brown recluse spiders in 6 months in 1850s-built home. This family of 4 has been living there 8 years now and still not one evident bite. (see Vetter and Barger 2002, Journal of Medical Entomology 39: 948-951).
Dude if you dont find something to proove my girl wrong and make me nuber 1 then I am flying right to your house and selling you a knuckle sandwich:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:
 
Forget the knuckle sandwich, if you fly all the way out here I'll take you surfing!

I should have read the last sentence of your first post more carefully... :)
 
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