bulk ceramic media order?

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I don't know if microbe lift would be less dense than the matrix, since the rings are hollow where-as the matrix is "solid". you'd have to figure out specific area of each media as described in the pdf I linked to...
where are you finding the 7 gallon/40 lbs info? there's no weight listed on amazon for the bucket listing that I looked at.

I might be interested, it would depend on the final price compared to the other options.
 
TBH the pdf really sounded like a company doing data manipulation to say their product is superior. We need some independent sources...

Not to say matrix is not a good product; but what we need is a real calculation of bioload per volume of media.
 
I am also curious about the de-nitrification process inside a canister...Does that mean if I fill it up with seachem, I will have among other things. N2 coming out as gas from the canister?
 
matrix doesn't have bacteria in it, it has to be cycled. actually double cycled. first for the aerobic bacteria, then for the anaerobic. it's supposed to reduce nitrates because when the aerobic bacteria colonize the outside, anaerobic bacteria colonize the inside. they use nitrates for energy production instead of O2.
when I look at amazon's listing for a 5G bucket of matrix it says-
Product Dimensions: 12.5 x 12.5 x 19.8 inches ; 22.4 pounds
Shipping Weight: 47.2 pounds
I don't know where they get the 22.4 lbs from but the shipping weight is pretty close to what I weighed it at.
and it is made by seachem, the logo on the bucket is too small to see in the pics.




matrix may look and feel like rock, but it isn't. it's sintered glass. it's hollow passages throughout the entire media. which allows multiple types of bacterial colonization. which is why it's so light.


interesting info, I'd like to see your sources.
give this a read.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...psH7CA&usg=AFQjCNFTcD0ywxm9C66GYQP32Q2tEtGb4w

according to that, matrix in the same volume as the compared substrates, has much more surface area. granted, it is put out by seachem, but I don't see anything similar from fluval or eheim. the chinese spec sheets for ceramic media that I've seen back this up with lower surface area numbers and higher densities.

Didn't know it was glass!

My sources are friends and lfs friends as noted! Just what they've heard or prefer. Ur article doesn't mention api chem stars, I know its atleast 2x the surface area of ceramic.

Try putting the same weight media in a full glass, try urs and try chem stars. I put bio max in the glass and water spilled out but with chem stars it just absorbed the water w/o overflowing meaning it has more pouros features.

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I am also curious about the de-nitrification process inside a canister...Does that mean if I fill it up with seachem, I will have among other things. N2 coming out as gas from the canister?

Hey theres an idea! Fill up a canister with pond matrix and if it fills up with gasses after a couple months you that will have proven that it is capable of denitrification! just make sure you use a cheap canister not one of them fancy ones that burps.

I could use someone on the coast to spearhead a port delivery of media though im gonna go ahead and see about gettting it delivered to me in nebraska.
 
Didn't know it was glass!

My sources are friends and lfs friends as noted! Just what they've heard or prefer. Ur article doesn't mention api chem stars, I know its atleast 2x the surface area of ceramic.

so you're telling everyone it's crap without even knowing what it is, how it works, and never having used it?
nice to know you stick to the facts.
 
Still waiting on quotes for 500 lbs. Bulk media shipped to more door. Otberwise seems the least exspensive choice is 2.40 a lb. maybe bulk will be a buck a lb? Would be nice anyways. Any one view the media in the links ive posted? Its sorta turned into a media choice pissing match in here (i didnt help much)

Im also looking at a bulk order of kaldness like media for doing fbf. Might be more feasable due to the very high cost and the light weight but imnot sure.
 
Yeah for sure. Has lots more surface area. I think most use them in canister filters hob filters and the like cause u really need to get the most surface area possible in such a small space. Im gonna put some in a couple baskets of my canisters. Some in my hob's and the bulk of it in a diy trickle tower. Also pricing k1 type media for a bioreactor fmbfilter.

Of course certainly nothing wrong with scrubbies or even polyfil by the bag.
 
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