BUSTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[STATIC X]

grrr!!!

 

[softturtle]

It is the BALD eagle, and even if they were not protected because of their rarity, they would be protected as the national bird.

How many wild bald eagles you seen in Ohio?

I've seen Bald Eagles in Ohio. There are Bald Eagles around all the great lakes.

 

[eczs-1]

The US hasn't made asian aros illegal. The Lacey Act states the US will abide by the laws made by the parent countries that a species belongs to. The home ranges of the asian aro have declared the wild populations to be threatened and have listed the species under CITES. The US Lacey Act merely supports the CITES status.
For the laws to change, change must start at the country of origin. Not in the US.

That is wrong.
The fish also is listed on the Endangered Species Act as well as CITES Appendix 1.
OK,these are bred in flavors and no wild fish are involved...they are micro-chipped and legal in every other country in the world.CITES has given their blessing on the fish.But,in order to change an ACT it takes a declaration bt F&W and a mandate by Congress.Good luck!!!
This is going to keep on moving.So keep posting illegal stuff in California and taking the stance that I am just a hobbiest and nobody will care."Everybody else does it and my local pet shop will sell it under the table." Yes,but they are not posting the info on a public internet site with their contact information.
F&W cares and they are taking notes.It is not a game.
John

 

[Oddball]

The US Endangered Species Act is ammended to reflect the changes in CITES and the Lacey Act. If the Country of Origin changes the status of it's local species, the change may be reflected in the next CITES conference. If the CITES status changes to an appendix allowing the trade of a previously endangered species, the Lacey Act will reflect that change and the Endangered Species Act will come up for ammendment of its species list.

 

[oddballer]

from the accusations made on the first page....... the investigation was made by DFW...... none of the accused are charged for "importing" just buying and selling...... If i'm not mistaken they are not the people the DFW really want to get.......

 

[eczs-1]

The US Endangered Species Act is ammended to reflect the changes in CITES and the Lacey Act. If the Country of Origin changes the status of it's local species, the change may be reflected in the next CITES conference. If the CITES status changes to an appendix allowing the trade of a previously endangered species, the Lacey Act will reflect that change and the Endangered Species Act will come up for ammendment of its species list.

CITES has been ammended for these fish for about 6-7 years.All fish shipped out of Indonesia and Singapore come with legitamate CITES permits listing the fish,breeding farm,and micro-chip numbers for each fish in the shipment along with the bags for each fish being cross-referenced with the permt.It is a real proceedure-all very legal except in the US.
Lacey Act just states the basic laws as they relate to wildlife in general-not specific species.

Doesn't matter...F&W agents I have talked to have every reason all clear in their minds why these fish should never be delisted so it really does not matter if the Hand of God comes down on the fish they will not be allowed to be legal in the US.
John

 

[Josh]

I can't say this surprises me. A fish and wildlife official named Ed Newcomer tried to get me to talk about 3 years ago. They've had their eyes on us for a long time now.

 

[vunitrepresenta]

more like getting busted for selling drugs in terms of 'relative badness' imo,


there is an old expression you all might want to learn...

:" if you can;t do the time don;t do the crime"

these guys knew full well what they were doing and the risks involved and yet still went ahead with it....now it is time for them to pay the piper.
They will probably get hefty fines and then if they don;t pay they will get some jail time.

Re the legaility of Asian arows.....wild populations are in crisis and the birth rate for domesticly bred fish is pitifully low.
Demand far exceeds supply, so prices are very high, thus highly attractive for would-be smugglers
If legalized wilds would be stripped from their habitat and the species would be lost from the wild quite soon.

u should be saying that to your self. just like how you used to ship freshwater stingrays to california. you are just as bad as they are. dont even try to lie about it. i have a couple of friends who has purchased rays from you. got any more to say?

 

[Oddball]

This thread has officially debased itself to mud-slinging with no substantiation of allegations. Time to close it since it's spinning off into another dimension.