bye bye gt's hello africans :(

[Cichlaholics Anonymous]

shelldwellers aren't that boring, they do a lot of comical stuff, moving stuff around etc. and posturing...it might not be an oscar with the all the attention towards the fishkeeper, but shellies are entertaining in there own way IMO

 

[triply]

shelldwellers aren't that boring, they do a lot of comical stuff, moving stuff around etc. and posturing...it might not be an oscar with the all the attention towards the fishkeeper, but shellies are entertaining in there own way IMO

Maybe ill check it out.

i wasnt really concerned with any attention on the tank in reference to me. Ive had much bigger tanks normally when people come over there like...dude...wtf is that thing lol

so im not really interested in anything great that makes me look like im some sort of fish studd but i need to make sure it will be entertaining not only movement and personality but color as well

 

[mdb_talon]

just read a post that was on another post about a 30 gallon alyssa has.

they said something about rainbows or blue rams?

they seem ok i could get away with 2 of those and something eh?

they were also talking about adding tetras to the mix to give it some life.

Blue Rams or Rainbows would be more appropriate for a 30 gallon tank. Especially the blue rams. If you go that route though make sure you realize that all the good advice people gave in this thread is worthless in regards to those fish as they are not Africans (Central & South America). Rainbows will generally do well with any tap water (treated of course) as they are not too picky on hardness or PH.

Blue Rams on the other hand are not hardy to begin with but generally need a fairly low PH and soft water to get any sort of longevity. Again they may be fine with your tap water, but if you have hard water or high PH water I would avoid them.

 

[triply]

Blue Rams or Rainbows would be more appropriate for a 30 gallon tank. Especially the blue rams. If you go that route though make sure you realize that all the good advice people gave in this thread is worthless in regards to those fish as they are not Africans (Central & South America). Rainbows will generally do well with any tap water (treated of course) as they are not too picky on hardness or PH.

Blue Rams on the other hand are not hardy to begin with but generally need a fairly low PH and soft water to get any sort of longevity. Again they may be fine with your tap water, but if you have hard water or high PH water I would avoid them.

Great advice i appreciate it. Ill take all this into consideration.

however 1 last question that i seem to be getting avoided on

what about having the red zebras.

both dont grow to be more then 5.5-6 inches long and thats over calculating i think it said big males grow to be 15 cm which is what i calculated at into inches..

if the 12 that i have read is correct then 12cm is roughly 4.7 inches making 2 of those more then ok for that tank.

am i right or wrong on this?

I wouldnt be able to get away with tetras but im not huge on them anyways.

 

[mdb_talon]

Red zebra cichlids would ideally be in a larger tank than 30 gallons. They may have similar max sizes, but from my experience red zebras end up signifigantly larger than rainbows. The other difference is rainbow cichlids are much more peaceful so having a few of them will likely result in much less agression issues than having a few red zebras in a 30 gallon. With the red zebras if you end up with multiple males in such a small space it will end up with trouble. Female red zebras are not exactly friendly either, but will often school together especially if they grow up together.

If you are going to put them in there make sure you have several caves and distinct seperated territories.